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    Default Present perfect vs Present perfect continuous (natives only please)

    Hello all. I am a native teacher from England and have been teaching for about five years. I have been studying the present perfect continuous and perfect to explain it better so already understand how to explain the basics . However there are exceptions to the neat and simplistic rules often presented in textbooks. This question is quite complex and the answer is too subtle to be found in any grammar book I have read. I have other reasons for asking that only native speakers respond and as such, no offense intended, even if you are a qualified teacher this question is for native speakers only !

    Ok so here it is :


    a) I 've been living in Japan for 6 years (correct)
    b) I 've lived in Japan for 6 years (also correct)

    You walk into a bar to meet a friend, he raises his glass to you and says :

    c) I've been drinking for 6 hours (correct)
    d) I've drunk for 6 hours (incorrect)

    Why is b) correct but d) not correct ?
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    Default Re: Present perfect vs Present perfect continuous (natives only please)

    bump !

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    Default Re: Present perfect vs Present perfect continuous (natives only please)

    Quote Originally Posted by GUS22 View Post
    This question is quite complex and the answer is too subtle to be found in any grammar book I have read. As such even if you are a qualified teacher this question is for NATIVE SPEAKERS ONLY
    I think your cavalier rejection of ideas from the non-native speakers in this forum, some of whom have been offering sound advice for a long time, could be one of the reasons for the lack of response to your question.

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    Default Re: Present perfect vs Present perfect continuous (natives only please)

    I have my reasons . Non native speakers generally learn languages from a textbook - I mean them no insult - its just that the answer I am looking for is not adequately explained by any textbook I have read. I realise that none native teachers are capable of explaining grammatical rules much better than most native speakers. However I am looking for the opinion of an Native speaker here - for precisely those reasons. So do you have an explanation ?

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    Default Re: Present perfect vs Present perfect continuous (natives only please)

    Quote Originally Posted by GUS22 View Post
    So do you have an explanation ?
    Yes, I do. However, I post my thoughts in this forum in the hope that they can be considered by all forum members. I feel that all forum members are free to comment on them. I have no wish to take part in any discussion in which some knowledgeable and helpful members are asked not to participate simply because they are not native speakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    Yes, I do. However, I post my thoughts in this forum in the hope that they can be considered by all forum members. I feel that all forum members are free to comment on them. I have no wish to take part in any discussion in which some knowledgeable and helpful members are asked not to participate simply because they are not native speakers.
    Thats your prerogative. I am not looking for the opinion of non native speakers . As I say I mean no insult to anyone and have quite a complex series of reasons for wanting the opinion of a native speaker which I haven't got time to explain here.

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    Default Re: Present perfect vs Present perfect continuous (natives only please)

    Quote Originally Posted by GUS22 View Post
    Hello all. I am a native teacher from England and have been teaching for about five years. I have been studying the present perfect continuous and perfect to explain it better so already understand how to explain the basics . However there are exceptions to the neat and simplistic rules often presented in textbooks. This question is quite complex and the answer is too subtle to be found in any grammar book I have read. As such even if you are a qualified teacher this question is for NATIVE SPEAKERS ONLY !

    Ok so here it is :


    a) I 've been living in Japan for 6 years (correct)
    b) I 've lived in Japan for 6 years (also correct)

    You walk into a bar to meet a friend, he raises his glass to you and says :

    c) I've been drinking for 6 hours (correct)
    d) I've drunk for 6 hours (incorrect)

    Why is b) correct but d) not correct ?
    I'd say the clause "I've drunk" begs for a direct object, e.g "twelve Suntory whiskies" rather than a span of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    I'd say the clause "I've drunk" begs for a direct object, e.g "twelve Suntory whiskies" rather than a span of time.
    Yes that makes sense, but this beggars the question - why is the length of time OK in b) then ?

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    Default Re: Present perfect vs Present perfect continuous (natives only please)

    To live somewhere is a continuous action, whereas to drink is a momentary one.

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    Default Re: Present perfect vs Present perfect continuous (natives only please)

    Quote Originally Posted by GUS22 View Post
    Yes that makes sense, but this beggars the question ...
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