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    Omission of 'if' in conditional.

    1.If I knew her phone number, I would call her.

    2.Did I know her phone number, I would call her.

    One of my grammar books say 2 is grammatically. Is it?


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    Re: Omission of 'if' in conditional.

    Quote Originally Posted by wotcha View Post
    1.If I knew her phone number, I would call her.

    2.Did I know her phone number, I would call her.

    One of my grammar books say 2 is grammatically correct. Is it?
    Not in most dialects of modern English.

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    Re: Omission of 'if' in conditional.

    Quote Originally Posted by wotcha View Post
    1.If I knew her phone number, I would call her.

    2.Did I know her phone number, I would call her.

    One of my grammar books say 2 is grammatically. Is it?

    Sometimes 'if' is not necessary. For example:
    "Had I known her phone number, I would have called her." This is the legitimate past tense equivalent of your sentence, which does not work in the present tense.

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    Re: Omission of 'if' in conditional.

    I read a lot of American crime novels, and I've become aware in recent years of characters speaking colloquially omitting if in conditional sentences.

    'You wanna keep your kneecaps intact, asshole, stay outta my face.'

    Rover

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    Re: Omission of 'if' in conditional.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    I read a lot of American crime novels
    Is that really something you want to be generally known?

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    Re: Omission of 'if' in conditional.

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    Is that really something you want to be generally known?

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    Re: Omission of 'if' in conditional.

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    Is that really something you want to be generally known?
    I'll get my coat.

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    Re: Omission of 'if' in conditional.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    I'll get my coat.
    How many times do I have to remind you about your hat?

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    #9

    Re: Omission of 'if' in conditional.

    I just taught 1st, 2nd, and 3rd conditionals in an intermediate class, and the rule in the book was IF can only be omitted in the third conditional, like Raymott said.

    You can instead use, Had I known and Otherwise.

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    Re: Omission of 'if' in conditional.

    Quote Originally Posted by sparklingdark View Post
    I just taught 1st, 2nd, and 3rd conditionals in an intermediate class, and the rule in the book was IF can only be omitted in the third conditional, like Raymott said.

    You can instead use, Had I known and Otherwise.
    We can express conditions in several ways without if; it's just that wotcha's example is not possible in standard English.

    If he comes/came - should he come
    If he came - were he to come

    If there is no pain, there can be no gain - No pain, no gain

    If you don't stop, I'll shoot - Stop, or I'll shoot.
    .....................................T Try to escape, and I'll shoot.

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