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    Default in 1912 that or in 1912 when

    "It was in 1912 that the Titanic sank." OK?

    OR

    ""It was in 1912 when the Titanic sank." OK?

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    Default Re: in 1912 that or in 1912 when

    Both versions sound correct to me.

    I prefer the first.

    Rover

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    Default Re: in 1912 that or in 1912 when

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    Both versions sound correct to me.

    I prefer the first.

    Rover
    Both versions sound correct to me.

    I prefer the second.

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    Default Re: in 1912 that or in 1912 when

    Quote Originally Posted by amigos4 View Post
    Both versions sound correct to me.

    I prefer the second.
    Would the second one be grammatically acceptable on the tast?

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    Default Re: in 1912 that or in 1912 when

    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    Would the second one be grammatically acceptable on the tast?

    NOT A TEACHER


    (1) All the posters have given you and me excellent answers, and

    Sunsunmoon's link was great! (I have printed it out to keep.)

    (2) If you ever have this question on a test, you would be wise to follow

    the advice of the posters who recommended "that."

    (3) Consider this conversation:

    Joe: Excuse me. Do you know when the Titanic sank?

    Martha: Why, yes, I do. It sank in 1912.

    Joe: Thank you.

    Martha: You're welcome.

    (No doubt, some native speakers would say: Oh, sure, I do. As I

    remember, it was in 1912 when the Titanic sank.)

    (4) Now consider this conversation:

    Mona: I'm very smart. I know that the Titanic sank in 1910 in the Atlantic Ocean.

    Ralph: You're stupid. It sank in 1913.

    Tomas: You're both stupid. It was in 1912 (that the Titanic sank).

    (a) You use that kind of sentence when you want to emphasize

    something. In Tomas's case, he wanted to emphasize "1912."

    (b) He could have emphasized other parts of the sentence that way:

    It was the Titanic that sank in 1912 in the Atlantic. (not another ship)

    It was in the Atlantic that the Titanic sank. (not in the Pacific)

    (c) My books call this kind of sentence a "cleft sentence."

    According to the rule, one should use "that" in cleft sentences.

    (5) Without context, it is impossible to know whether the answer is meant

    as a regular answer (as in Joe and Martha's conversation) or as a cleft

    sentence (as in the second conversation). Thus, it would be safer to

    stay with "that."


    Respectfully yours,


    James

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    Default Re: in 1912 that or in 1912 when

    Quote Originally Posted by sunsunmoon View Post

    Just a big THANK YOU for always giving us leaners such great

    links.

    The one you gave us in this thread was awesome (as you young

    people say).

    Thanks again,


    James

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    Default Re: in 1912 that or in 1912 when

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    Just a big THANK YOU for always giving us leaners such great

    links.

    The one you gave us in this thread was awesome (as you young

    people say).

    Thanks again,


    James
    Here's the example I pulled from the BBC web-site.

    "It was last Saturday when my brother bought his new car from our neighbour."

    Would there be a difference if it were "It was on Aug. 5 when my brother bought his new car from our neighbour."? Should it be "......that my brother bought ........."?

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    Default Re: in 1912 that or in 1912 when

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    Both versions sound correct to me.

    I prefer the first.

    Rover
    I much prefer the first. I don't like the second at all.

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    Default Re: in 1912 that or in 1912 when

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    Both versions sound correct to me.

    I prefer the first.

    Rover
    Can you be sure if I choose "that" for the same context in an English test, I'll get a good mark?
    I'm sorry but if I have to fight for a good mark in the test, I must choose "when" as the safest choice! Or the sentence in the OP is an exception that we can use both in a grammatical way?
    Thank you so much!

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