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    ill logic or ill-logic instead of illogic

    Would you consider using "ill logic" or "ill-logic" instead of "illogic" a mistake?

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    Re: ill logic or ill-logic instead of illogic

    That depends.

    1) That's an illogical statement. Correct.
    2) That statement is based on ill logic. Correct.
    3) That statement is ill-logic. Incorrect.

    I can't imagine using ill-logic at all.
    Ill logic as an adjective+noun combination is fine.
    Illogical as an adjective on its own is fine.

    It would completely depend on context.

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    Re: ill logic or ill-logic instead of illogic

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    That depends.

    1) That's an illogical statement. Correct.
    2) That statement is based on ill logic. Correct.
    3) That statement is ill-logic. Incorrect.

    I can't imagine using ill-logic at all.
    Ill logic as an adjective+noun combination is fine.
    Illogical as an adjective on its own is fine.

    It would completely depend on context.
    Yes, however, I didn't mean "illogical", but "illogic" -- a noun. I understand that you endorse the phrase "ill logic". I don't see anything wrong about it personally either, but I have found that there is only a single hit for it in the BYU corpora, and one in which the use of the adjective "ill" is forced by the context. Because of this, I thought that, since "ill logic" sounds the same as "illogic", "ill logic" might perhaps be frowned upon as a misspelling. This is not the case then, thank you.

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    Re: ill logic or ill-logic instead of illogic

    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    Yes, however, I didn't mean "illogical", but "illogic" -- a noun. I understand that you endorse the phrase "ill logic". I don't see anything wrong about it personally either, but I have found that there is only a single hit for it in the BYU corpora, and one in which the use of the adjective "ill" is forced by the context. Because of this, I thought that, since "ill logic" sounds the same as "illogic", "ill logic" might perhaps be frowned upon as a misspelling. This is not the case then, thank you.
    Ah, I understand now.

    That statement is based on ill logic.
    I can't believe the illogic of that statement!

    I don't think "ill logic" would be viewed as a misspelling if it was clear that you know the meaning and how to use it, which I believe you do. The danger you would have would be with people who have no idea that illogic is a noun and is simply the opposite of logic!

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    Re: ill logic or ill-logic instead of illogic

    I've never used or seen "ill logic" used as a noun. I would say "faulty" or "flawed" logic.

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    Re: ill logic or ill-logic instead of illogic

    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    I've never used or seen "ill logic" used as a noun. I would say "faulty" or "flawed" logic.
    I agree. I didn't know ill logic existed and would certainly never consider using it.

    I've forgotten it already, BC, and suggest you do the same.

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    Re: ill logic or ill-logic instead of illogic

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    I agree. I didn't know ill logic existed and would certainly never consider using it.

    I've forgotten it already, BC, and suggest you do the same.
    I agree with Rover and SoothingDave.

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    Re: ill logic or ill-logic instead of illogic

    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    I've never used or seen "ill logic" used as a noun. I would say "faulty" or "flawed" logic.
    Or 'bad' or 'self-serving' or 'specious' or 'spurious' or (very informal) 'duff' or 'dodgy'. I can imaging contexts where it might be used: for example - 'I'm not saying the argument is illogical; perhaps I would just say it shows ill logic' - a rather dubious play on words. But I've certainly never heard it either.

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    Re: ill logic or ill-logic instead of illogic

    Hi BC

    To add to what the other folks have said...

    The prefix "ill-" in "illogical" has the same relationship to the word "ill" as it does in "illegal" or "illegitimate" - i.e. none!

    It merely negates the word, in the same way as similar prefixes in: innoxious, impenetrable, ignoble, irrefutable, irrevocable, invariable.

    Hope this helps
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    Last edited by Route21; 04-Jun-2011 at 15:51. Reason: UE Dictionary suggested a possible (erronious) spelling error

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    Re: ill logic or ill-logic instead of illogic

    illogic is a word that means: Invalid or incorrect reasoning.

    Its adjective is illogical that can be used as :

    1. Your statement for this seems to be totally illogical.
    2. I don't like illogical reasoning at all.

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