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    Lightbulb Training of describing the consonants and the vowels

    Hello,


    This is just a training of how we can describe either a consonant or a vowel of a beginner student.

    For consonant:

    The sound /r/ is a post-alveolar approximant, a roll/trill and a voiced sound.

    The sound /s/ is an alveolar (the tongue tip or less the tongue blade approches the alveolar ridge but in practise it touches the lower teeth)ficative and unvoiced sound.

    The sound /m/ is a balabial, nasal and voiced sound.


    Concerning the vowel:

    /ɑ :/ is a open,low, back, unrounded and long vowel.

    /ɪ/ ( some people write it with a dot like this /i/ Is it correct) is a close, high, front, unrounded, and a short vowel.

    /e/( As in bed, the symbol /e/ is represented also by/ɛ/) is a front, unrounded, and short vowel.

    Could you please tell me if my description is correct?

    All the best
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    /ɪ/ ( some people write it with a (point) dot like this /i/ Is it correct?)
    /i:/ is the sound heard in me, see, be
    /i/ is the sound heard in happy, radiation
    /ɪ/
    is the sound heard in pit, sin
    /e/( As in bed, the symbol /e/ is represented also by/ɛ/)
    the sound heard in red, head, leisure is usually transcribed phonemically in the UK as /e/; some writers use /ɛ/ for this sound.

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    Default Re: Training of describing the consonants and the vowels

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    /i:/ is the sound heard in me, see, be
    /i/ is the sound heard in happy, radiation
    /ɪ/ is the sound heard in pit, sin


    This is the first time I hear that there is a difference between them, really I cannot see it, I have searched in the internet but I did not find anything, also, I have watched some videos but they did not mention that there is an /i/ and /ɪ/.


    YouTube - ‪IPA VOWELS‬‏
    Thank you my teacher, you are always here to help us.
    Thank you again.
    For point, I thought it is like frensh, I'll correct it.
    So, can we say it is correct.
    All the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by symaa View Post
    This is the first time I hear that there is a difference between them, really I cannot see it, I have searched in the internet but I did not find anything, also, I have watched some videos but they did not mention that there is an /i/ and /ɪ/.
    These words have the three sounds mentioned above and their pronunciation.
    happy
    fill
    feel

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    Quote Originally Posted by mara_ce View Post
    These words have the three sounds mentioned above and their pronunciation.
    happy
    fill
    feel
    Thank you very much, so how can I see the difference between them especially when you listen to somebody?
    Concerning the description of the vowels and the consonant above ,I wonder if it is correct.
    Regards,

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    Default Re: Training of describing the consonants and the vowels

    Quote Originally Posted by symaa View Post
    Thank you very much, so how can I see the difference between them especially when you listen to somebody?

    I understand through context.

    If someone tells me: “I feel happy today.” I know they are uttering feel, not fill.

    If they tell me: “Fill in this form, please.” I know that feel is impossible in that context.

    This page: BBC Learning English | Pronunciation Tips will help you practise the sounds.

    Concerning the description of the vowels and the consonant above, I wonder if it is correct.

    IMO, it is correct. I´d say that /s/ is an alveolar fricative...

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    Quote Originally Posted by symaa View Post
    /e/( As in bed, the symbol /e/ is represented also by/ɛ/) is a front, unrounded, and short vowel.
    That's what British dictionaries use, but the correct IPA vowel is /ɛ/. /e/ does not exist by itself in English.

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    Post Re: Training of describing the consonants and the vowels

    Thank you mara_ce for sharing your time and your concerns.

    Quote Originally Posted by mara_ce View Post
    I understand through context.

    If someone tells me: “I feel happy today.” I know they are uttering feel, not fill.

    If they tell me: “Fill in this form, please.” I know that feel is impossible in that context.
    Yes, I do too, from the context you can understand the meaning, but what I meant is, for examle when somebody say *typically* The first is /ɪ/ and the second is/i/ so how can I know this difference if I do not know the transcription before?
    This page: BBC Learning English | Pronunciation Tips will help you practise the sounds.


    Concerning these videos as well as the others, she only compare /ɪ/ which is short to the long vowel /i:/.And as you can see she never mentioned the/i/.

    Have a nice day

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatone View Post
    That's what British dictionaries use, but the correct IPA vowel is /ɛ/. /e/ does not exist by itself in English.
    Thank you very much thatone.
    All the best for you,

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    Default Re: Training of describing the consonants and the vowels

    Quote Originally Posted by symaa View Post
    * The first is /ɪ/ and the second is/i/ so how can I know this difference if I do not know the transcription before?
    Hi, symaa.

    You´re right. I couldn´t find a description of it either.

    What my book, Gimson´s Pronunciation of English, says about it is:

    in such final unaccented positions, e.g. in city, lady, memory, /ɪ / is increasingly replaced by a short variety of /i:/ by many speakers. (The contrast between /ɪ /and /i:/ is in any case neutralized in word-final position, so no ambiguity arises from such pronunciations.)

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