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    Default Passive Mess!

    So this is what's stumping me:

    A) What type of heating have you got in your school- oil, gas, or electric? (active tense, obviously)

    The answer I have for the passive voice is (using 'by' is required for this example):

    B) My school is heated by electricity.
    (This is the answer from a Macmillan text book)

    So we know how to form the passive voice: be + past participle of the verb. But how do I explain the conversion of a) to b), for this particular case? Isn't have or got the main verb and 'heating' a gerund, a subject in this case? Thank you for any help.
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    Default Re: Present Perfect Mess!

    Quote Originally Posted by skelerobo View Post
    So this is what's stumping me:

    A) What type of heating have you got in your school- oil, gas, or electric? (active tense, obviously)

    The answer I have for the passive tense is:

    B) My school is heated by electricity.


    So we know how to form the passive tense: be + past participle of the verb. But how do I explain the conversion of a) to b), for this particular case? Isn't have or got the main verb and 'heating' a gerund, a subject in this case? Thank you for any help.
    For the answer "My school is heated by electricity", wouldn't the active question be "What type of energy heats your school?"

    The answer to the question you've actually posted would be "We have electric heating in my school".

    Surely the actual wording of the question is important when trying to formulate the answer, in any form.

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    Default Re: Present Perfect Mess!

    Quote Originally Posted by skelerobo View Post
    So this is what's stumping me:

    A) What type of heating have you got in your school- oil, gas, or electric? (active tense, obviously)

    The answer I have for the passive tense is:

    B) My school is heated by electricity.


    So we know how to form the passive tense: be + past participle of the verb. But how do I explain the conversion of a) to b), for this particular case? Isn't have or got the main verb and 'heating' a gerund, a subject in this case? Thank you for any help.
    Passive and active constructions are not themselves tenses, nor do they determine tenses. Passive forms are made with different tenses of to be and a past participle.
    What does the title of your thread have to do with the content? There's no discussion of the present perfect.

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    Default Re: Present Perfect Mess!

    I wondered quite where the present perfect mess was too!

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    Default Re: Present Perfect Mess!

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    I wondered quite where the present perfect mess was too!
    Quote Originally Posted by riquecohen View Post
    Passive and active constructions are not themselves tenses, nor do they determine tenses. Passive forms are made with different tenses of to be and a past participle.
    What does the title of your thread have to do with the content? There's no discussion of the present perfect.
    Sorry about that. Not enough sleep! I've changed the title and corrected the errors in my original post (hopefully). If anyone can still respond I'd really appreciate it.

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    Default Re: Present Perfect Mess!

    Quote Originally Posted by skelerobo View Post
    Sorry about that. Not enough sleep! I've changed the title and corrected the errors in my original post (hopefully). If anyone can still respond I'd really appreciate it.
    As others have said, we'd need to see the question if you want us to explain the answer.
    As ems said, the answer to the question is (or could be): "We have electric heating in my school."
    The strict passive of that is, "Electric heating is had in my school (by us)", which is silly, of course.

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