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    Default Can Athens have a plural meaning?

    The European ministers plan to revisit the aid to Greece on July 3 following the Greek Parliament's vote of confidence in the reshuffled government led by Prime Minister George Papandreou. The ministers also insist that Athens make a firm commitment to raise cash by selling assets and cutting spending.
    Hello, everyone.

    Should the writer have written makes instead the original form of the word here?

    I am a bit confused.

    Many Thanks

    Richard

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    Default Re: Can Athens have a plural meaning?

    Hi Richard.

    Make in this case is not plural, but rather subjunctive.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Default Re: Can Athens have a plural meaning?

    That was really quick, Barb_D.

    I thought of it but was not sure.

    Thanks

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    Default Re: Can Athens have a plural meaning?

    Quote Originally Posted by cubezero3 View Post
    Hello, everyone.

    Should the writer have written makes instead the original form of the word here?

    I am a bit confused.

    Many Thanks

    Richard

    NOT A TEACHER


    I believe that in some varieties of English, one could also say: should make.

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    Default Re: Can Athens have a plural meaning?

    TheParser, Thanks very much.

    Is such form so formal that I'd better avoid it in casual conversations?

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    I think it has a plural meaning by itself; for example when we say:« men of Athens», it is always plural.

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    Default Re: Can Athens have a plural meaning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Timoteo View Post
    I think it has a plural meaning by itself; for example when we say:« men of Athens», it is always plural.
    When we say 'men of Athens', men is plural, but Athens is singular.

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    Default Re: Can Athens have a plural meaning?

    Quote Originally Posted by cubezero3 View Post
    TheParser, Thanks very much.

    Is such form so formal that I'd better avoid it in casual conversations?

    NOT A TEACHER


    (1) I believe that we Americans love the subjunctive (even those Americans

    who don't realize they are speaking the subjunctive. I recently read that

    a study showed that most American children still say "If I were ....) :

    (a) I insist that your son do his homework every day.

    (2) I have read that our British friends have three choices:

    I insist that your son do his homework. (Maybe American influence is

    responsible for this.)

    I insist that your son should do his homework.

    I insist that your son does his homework. (This one, I think, would drive

    American teachers crazy.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    I insist that your son does his homework. (This one, I think, would drive American teachers crazy.)
    They need driving?

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