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    Dutch in English
    English uses the word Dutch to refer to language and people from
    The Netherlands. Although this word is the same as German "Deutsch" the
    mother country, both words go back to the ig. teuta: "people,
    folk". This might explain the German saying "auf gut Deutsch": in
    plain English or "mit jdm deutsch reden "to speak bluntly with sb.
    People in Holland are still very sensitive to anything which is Deutsch
    perhaps because of the history or neighbourhood or both. Generally
    speaking the Germans are friendlier to their little neighbouring
    sister. At least this is what I have heard and seen.

    Now lots of things which are negative in English are referred to as
    Dutch:
    Go dutch: split the bill (the Dutch being stingy)
    Dutch courage: false courage gained through drinking alcohol.

    There is another expression I found in a book which might not be known
    to some of you:
    Dutch books. when doing people out of money by using mathematical
    tricks. The way how the Dutch did people out of money is described in
    detail. Some people explain why the English write the sound "f" in
    "enough" with a "gh" and not an "f" by saying that those
    people who were in charge of printing were Dutch and they were paid by
    letters. The Dutch of course wanted to earn more money so they chose
    "gh" instead of "f".

    Of course history and competition play a role in painting such a
    negative picture. Could anybody provide some more examples and some
    insight into this matter. No intention to hurt Dutch friends is
    intended.
    Regards
    Jamshid

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    Default Re: Dutch In English

    The negative expressions about the Dutch, apparently, date back to the wars we had with them in the 17th century. Otherwise our relationships have been fine- it's interesting that so many negative idioms emerged in such a short period- we can add Dutch treat, Dutch uncle, etc.

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    Default Re: Dutch In English

    Hi Tdol
    Some people say the Dutch didn't choose "gh" for enough in order to earn more money but because "gh" is a Dutch sound anyway like the Scottish sound "ch" in the word "loch". After all the German word for enough: "genug" has nearly the same sound "ch" too. Yes, I agree the two nations were rivals perhaps because the two of them were seafaring and neighbouring nations. In addition Dutch or Deutsch which is Germanic is the origin of English.
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    Default Re: Dutch In English

    The 'gh' sound was pronounced in England until the Norman invasion and their confusion of a letter with 'g'.

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