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    #1

    None

    I use both.

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    #2
    Offhand, I would say it is none are correct. That seems most likely.

    :)

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    #3

    Re: None

    Where I come from, none is not a contraction of not any. It's a contraction not one or no one and is singular.

    In the example above:

    :D None of the answers are correct.

    . . . the sentence's subject is none, not answers. This is where diagramming helps: None [of the answers] is correct.

    But informally, are is often used instead, and it's hard to object very strenuously. I lump none with words like media and data: whether it's plural or singular seems to be mostly a matter of preference these days.

    [I do have limits, though. They is not a substitute for he, she, or he or she!]
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    Re: None

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    Where I come from, none is not a contraction of not any. It's a contraction not one or no one and is singular.

    <SNIP>

    But informally, are is often used instead, and it's hard to object very strenuously.
    I don't agree. As many authorities have written, none can be singular or plural but plural is usually best. It's not a matter of formality but of appropriate usage. It follows the same pattern as zero, which is plural.

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    [I do have limits, though. They is not a substitute for he, she, or he or she!]
    If the singular they was good enough for Shakespeare and Jane Austen, it's good enough for me.
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    #5

    Re: None

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    I don't agree. As many authorities have written, none can be singular or plural but plural is usually best. It's not a matter of formality but of appropriate usage. It follows the same pattern as zero, which is plural.
    None of your answers is/are correct.

    Consider also: If there are N answers, and none of them could be considered correct, that makes N altogether that are incorrect, so the plural (None of your answers are correct) should be right.

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    #6

    Re: None

    The singular is correct if "none" stands for "not one".

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    Re: None

    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    I use both.
    I use both :wink:

    Subject-Verb Agreement

    :D None of the answers are correct. (none = not any)
    :D The answers are incorrect.

    Compare singular:

    :D The answer is incorrect.
    :( None of the answer is correct.

    The verb 'is' is fine. It's 'the answer' that's the problem.

    "none" requires a plural object (i.e. 'answers'):

    :D None of the answers ....


    Note, however, none can also mean, "not one (item)", as in

    :D None of the food is fresh. (not one (item))
    :D Not one item of food is fresh.

    When 'none of X' refers to 'not one (item)', the verb is singular.

    Consider now:

    :D None of the answers is correct.
    :D Not one of the answers is correct.

    :D None of the answers are correct.
    :D Not any of the answers are correct.


    Cas :D

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    #8

    Re: None

    Um, that should be

    • Not one of the answers is correct.


    :wink:

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    Re: None

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee
    Um, that should be

    • Not one of the answers is correct.


    :wink:
    Correctified.

    With gratitude, as always,

    Cas :D

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    #10

    Re: None

    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea
    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    I use both.
    I use both :wink:

    Subject-Verb Agreement

    :D None of the answers are correct. (none = not any)
    :D The answers are incorrect.

    Compare singular:

    :D The answer is incorrect.
    :( None of the answer is correct.

    The verb 'is' is fine. It's 'the answer' that's the problem.

    "none" requires a plural object (i.e. 'answers'):

    :D None of the answers ....


    Note, however, none can also mean, "not one (item)", as in

    :D None of the food is fresh. (not one (item))
    :D Not one item of food is fresh.

    When 'none of X' refers to 'not one (item)', the verb is singular.

    Consider now:

    :D None of the answers is correct.
    :D Not one of the answers is correct.

    :D None of the answers are correct.
    :D Not any of the answers are correct.


    Cas :D
    That is quite a good explanation. :D

    Also, I now realize that my "correction" was in error.

    Thank you for being so gracious.

    :D

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