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    Default Re: Grammatical function

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    No, often there isn't. Language is an imperfect human invention. People choose to describe it in different ways, and there is no central authority in English that determines how you can describe a string of words and how you can't.
    Maybe you could do this with Lithuanian, but English is too wide-spread to police.

    Yes, most English teachers are not grammarians.
    Yea, you are right. In Lithuanian, we even have the authority responsible for telling speakers what is right and wrong. For instance, there are official obligatory punctuation rules in the Lithuanian language.

    Teachers who are not grammarians shouldn't be teachers then.

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    Teachers who are not grammarians shouldn't be teachers then.
    In an ideal world, that may be the case - though it's debatable. I'd agree that teachers of grammar should be grammarians.
    But where are most countries going to get English teachers from if they have to be grammarians as well? I'd be happy if most English teachers knew English, but even that is practically infeasable in many cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    In an ideal world, that may be the case - though it's debatable. I'd agree that teachers of grammar should be grammarians.
    But where are most countries going to get English teachers from if they have to be grammarians as well? I'd be happy if most English teachers knew English, but even that is practically infeasable in many cases.

    Like my teacher has heard the structure "Something interests somebody", and never heard "Somobody is interested in something" and states that the latter structure is wrong...

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    I deal with good teachers but poor connoisseurs of English grammar on a regular basis. And that somewhat aggravates me. It makes me feel they are doing it solely for money. But not all of them, if quite many. In any case, there are good teachers, highly conversant of all the procedures of teaching, and great teachers, able to inculcate the love of English upon their students along of not only tact but rather personal unquenchable thirst for mastering as much English as possible.

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    Just a small point, but there's a lot more to a language than the grammar. The finer points of grammar are interesting, but one danger I have seen countless times is grammar being used as a crutch or almost as a weapon against students in some systems, where students are bombarded with terminology and the main aim appears to be to make the teacher look clever rather than to teach anything.

    (BTW, I should point out that I am talking in general here and not about anyone in this thread, but we do have endless cases in the forum of beginner or low intermediate students who can barely string a simple sentence together with a task such as distinguishing between present participles and gerunds, an activity of interest to grammar buffs, but more likely to confuse and put off learners at lower levels.)

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