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    Default Such

    "The signal exiting the band-pass filter has a 100 kHz carrier, which is modulated such that the amplitude represents the TM position."

    Is "such" used correctly above? I don't think so.

    "Modulated in such a way that" is what I'd write.

    Thanks!


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    Default Re: Such

    such that = so that: used to express purpose or result

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    Default Re: Such

    This “such that” construction, according to the grammarian George O. Curme, is evidence of an “older English fondness for double expression,” with “such and that pointing as with two index fingers to the following explanatory clause.”
    The word “such” in sentences like these can have either of two meanings:
    (1) “of such a kind” (adjective). As in “Her illness was such that she couldn’t work.”
    (2) “in such a way” (adverb). As in “She trembled such that she couldn’t work.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennevis View Post
    This “such that” construction, according to the grammarian George O. Curme, is evidence of an “older English fondness for double expression,” with “such and that pointing as with two index fingers to the following explanatory clause.”
    The word “such” in sentences like these can have either of two meanings:
    (1) “of such a kind” (adjective). As in “Her illness was such that she couldn’t work.”
    (2) “in such a way” (adverb). As in “She trembled such that she couldn’t work.”
    So you would agree that my rewrite - "modulated in such a way" - is clearer than the original?

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    Default Re: Such

    Quote Originally Posted by Allen165 View Post
    So you would agree that my rewrite - "modulated in such a way" - is clearer than the original?
    The original is clear to me. No need to re-write. Not that your re-write is wrong, it's just wordy.

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    Default Re: Such

    Quote Originally Posted by Allen165 View Post
    "The signal exiting the band-pass filter has a 100 kHz carrier, which is modulated such that the amplitude represents the TM position."

    Is "such" used correctly above? I don't think so.

    "Modulated in such a way that" is what I'd write.

    Thanks!
    such that = in a way that makes the signal meet the required condition
    condition = the amplitude of the signal represents the TM position

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afit View Post
    such that = in a way that makes the signal meet the required condition
    condition = the amplitude of the signal represents the TM position
    I understood the meaning of the sentence but was wondering whether the usage of "such that" was correct. As you can read on the site I linked to, some people consider it incorrect.

    I suppose "so that" would be the best option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen165 View Post
    As you can read on the site I linked to, some people consider it incorrect.
    I suppose you are a physicist and your read extensively in the field. If this is so, you probably have noticed that "such that" used this way is all over the place in written scientific language (maths, physics, etc.).
    I am a physicist (too?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afit View Post
    I suppose you are a physicist and your read extensively in the field. If this is so, you probably have noticed that "such that" used this way is all over the place in written scientific language (maths, physics).
    I am a physicist (too?).
    You're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off!

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