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    Re: What is the subject "alot of people"

    which part is right? that didn't answer my question as to which part is the subject and also, do those examples even follow that rule?

    I am confused, what is what?

    SO I will ask again. IF in the example " a number of people are coming",. people is the subject and ' a number of" acts more descriptively, does the same hold true with "50% of the people are coming"?

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    Re: What is the subject "alot of people"

    Quote Originally Posted by alkaspeltzar View Post
    which part is right? that didn't answer my question as to which part is the subject and also, do those examples even follow that rule?

    I am confused, what is what?

    SO I will ask again. IF in the example " a number of people are coming",. people is the subject and ' a number of" acts more descriptively, does the same hold true with "50% of the people are coming"?

    ONLY A NON-TEACHER'S OPINION


    (1) "A number of" = many. So that's why "people" is the subject.

    (2) "Fifty percent" does NOT = many.

    (a) Thus we could analyze it as:

    Fifty percent (subject) + of the people (prepositional phrase) + are coming (verb

    phrase). (The number of the verb -- singular or plural -- depends on the object of the

    preposition."People" is plural.)

    Fifty percent (subject) + of the cake + has been eaten. ("cake" is singular.)

    Fifty percent (subject) + of the jury (collective noun) is/are women.

    ("jury" is a collective noun. It can be a unit or different individuals:

    The jury has given its decision; The jury are arguing very loudly.)

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    Re: What is the subject "alot of people"

    Okay, I get it, so it is like this.

    "a number of" acts like a descriptor more than the main noun( this phrase is a special case like 'alot of'), so hence it is not the subject, 'people' is the subject and ' a number of' acts like "many"

    And as for the percentages and stuff, they are the subject. But despite being a singular noun, the entire phrase takes on a plural meaning because of the object of preposition. Therefore the verb is plural.

    That is why the examples below work:
    Fifty percent (subject) + of the people (prepositional phrase) + are coming (verb

    phrase). (The number of the verb -- singular or plural -- depends on the object of the

    preposition."People" is plural.)

    Fifty percent (subject) + of the cake + has been eaten. ("cake" is singular.)


    That is correct, that is what you mean then.
    Thanks for all you help.

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    Re: What is the subject "alot of people"

    So can someone please tell me if this is right:

    1.) If had the example, "A number of people are gone", then the subject is poeple becuase this is an exception where the phrase " a number of" acts like an adjective telling you there are many. "A number of" is not the noun in the sentence of concern.
    Correct? That is my understanding from the previous posts.

    2.) My second question was this: If I had the example "1/2 of the people are gone" why do we use the plural verb form when 1/2 is the subject and by definition is a singular object.

    The only answer I could really find is because when followed by the plural phrase" of the people" it gives the entire subject(1/2 of the people) a plural meaning, and therefore requires the plural verb form. So even though the subject (1/2) is singular by itself, when read as part of the whole, the understanding must follow the plural object and take the plural verb.

    I found this below:
    If a fraction or a percentage is followed by a phrase, the number of the noun in the phrase determines the number of the verb. @ Subject-verb Agr

    IF this is right, please let me know. Sorry to keep going around on this, but I just has got me confused. THanks and I hope this is the last post.

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    Re: What is the subject "alot of people"

    Quote Originally Posted by alkaspeltzar View Post
    Sorry to keep going around on this, but I just has got me confused. THanks and I hope this is the last post.
    As you see from some of the posts from native speakers, we don't all agree on why You will find life simpler if you can learn to accept that we say certain things without fully understanding the reason.

    These are natural:

    A lot of people are wasting money on expensive gadgets they don't use.
    A lot of money is being wasted on expensive gadgets that are not used.

    A (large) number of people are wasting ....

    The number of overweight people in America is ..

    50% of Americans are ...
    50% of my money is invested ...


    Half (of) my friends are ...
    Half (of) my money is ...

    A couple of my friends are ...

    The majority of my friends are

    Some of my friends are ... . The rest are ... .
    Some of my money is ... . The rest is ... .

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    Re: What is the subject "alot of people"

    Hey, i was only reiterating what was stated on the forum to finally get some closure.

    I know nothing is perfect, but I am trying to find some understanding to this. So that does not help me to accept it when I am not surewhat to except.

    So all i am asking is that someone with some english back ground, or a teacher look at the examples I propose and let me know if it is right or atleast close to how it is understood in english?

    thanks

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