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    Hi. A student provided me with the following example to test my boundless knowledge of grammar,

    A rich man will probably choose a window seat to enjoy the view when eating.


    His question regarding the 'when eating' is if the 'when' is a conjunction, where is the complete clause following it? Should the clause be, 'When he is eating something', where the extra words are unnecessary and therefore redundant?

    Thanks for any help, Skele.

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    Default Re: Smarty pants student set to evaporate my weekend.

    Quote Originally Posted by skelerobo View Post
    Hi. A student provided me with the following example to test my boundless knowledge of grammar,

    A rich man will probably choose a window seat to enjoy the view when eating.

    His question regarding the 'when eating' is if the 'when' is a conjunction, where is the complete clause following it? Should the clause be, 'When he is eating something', where the extra words are unnecessary and therefore redundant?

    Thanks for any help, Skele.
    Yes, and although I can not speak as an authority on other languages or even speak other languages (except a little Espanol) we AmE speakers tend to compress our statements and omit a few words here and there and hope that the listener/reader will understand. But I wouldn't consider the complete and correct words in your revised version, redundant. I should also point out that that if it were not for the phrase "to enjoy the view", your original statement could be understood to mean that the rich man was eating a "window seat" .

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    Default Re: Smarty pants student set to evaporate my weekend.

    Quote Originally Posted by billmcd View Post
    Yes, and although I can not speak as an authority on other languages or even speak other languages (except a little Espanol) we AmE speakers tend to compress our statements and omit a few words here and there and hope that the listener/reader will understand. But I wouldn't consider the complete and correct words in your revised version, redundant. I should also point out that that if it were not for the phrase "to enjoy the view", your original statement could be understood to mean that the rich man was eating a "window seat" .
    Thanks for the response. Yes, I didn't really think the corrected statement included redundant words. And In that case is the uncorrected statement ungrammatical? If not, is there a specific rule for this type of omission?

    I always wondered why the rich could enjoy more leg room

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    Default Re: Smarty pants student set to evaporate my weekend.

    A rich man will probably choose a window seat to enjoy the view when eating.

    This is a complete and natural sentence with a participle construction, as is:

    He may take a small aperitif before eating.

    Please give your threads more helpful titles, skelerobo

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    Default Re: Smarty pants student set to evaporate my weekend.

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    A rich man will probably choose a window seat to enjoy the view when eating.

    This is a complete and natural sentence with a participle construction, as is:

    He may take a small aperitif before eating.

    Please give your threads more helpful titles, skelerobo
    I see. Is a participle construction the same as an -ing clause?

    Be careful when/before crossing (the road).

    (Apologies for the vague title)

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    Default Re: Smarty pants student set to evaporate my weekend.

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    A rich man will probably choose a window seat to enjoy the view when eating.

    This is a complete and natural sentence with a participle construction, as is:

    He may take a small aperitif before eating.

    Please give your threads more helpful titles, skelerobo

    So may I ask how does the participle construction in these examples work? Are 'when' and 'about' acting as adverbs?


    When eating, a rich man will probably choose a window seat to enjoy the view.

    Adverb> verb
    Participle phrase
    (adjective) > subject
    Last edited by skelerobo; 02-Oct-2011 at 09:02.

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