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    to manipulate the odds

    Hello!
    Can anyone tell me if 'manipulating the odds' is a correct english idiom. And what it generally means.
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    Re: to manipulate the odds

    It's correct (though questionable*), but it's not an idiom.

    *I'm not a fan of using 'manipulate' to refer to operations that don't involve the hands (manus). But it is often used that way - meaning, here, 'to cause to change by artificial means'. 'The odds' here mean 'the likelihoods of various results, and the numbers associated with those likelihoods'.

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    Re: to manipulate the odds

    Thanks for generous and quick reply! This is really effective this forum!
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    Re: to manipulate the odds

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    It's correct (though questionable*), but it's not an idiom.

    *I'm not a fan of using 'manipulate' to refer to operations that don't involve the hands (manus). But it is often used that way - meaning, here, 'to cause to change by artificial means'. 'The odds' here mean 'the likelihoods of various results, and the numbers associated with those likelihoods'.

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    I like this thread very much. Thank you a lot, annenas and BobK. From this thread I got to know that the 'mani-' in 'manipulate' means the hands, which helps me to better understand this word. Could you tell me what the root '-pul-' means please? Thank you again.

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    Re: to manipulate the odds

    I found this webpage and seem to understand now. But thank you all the same.


    Vocabulary Made Easy


    books.google.com.hkVisual Education Corporation - 1984 - p128 The word implies a lack of thoroughness. A cursory examination is one that is not thoroughly done. The Root -pel-, -pul- To repel something is to drive, or push, it back — something repulsive drives you back. The root -pel- or -pul- ...

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    Re: to manipulate the odds

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    *I'm not a fan of using 'manipulate' to refer to operations that don't involve the hands (manus). But it is often used that way

    Not only is the word "manipulate" often used that way, it's used that way almost exclusively.

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    #7

    Re: to manipulate the odds

    What about manipulative people?

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    Re: to manipulate the odds

    Quote Originally Posted by waflob View Post
    What about manipulative people?
    I shudder to think what that would imply if their hands were involved.

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