Results 1 to 8 of 8
  1. #1
    annenas is offline Newbie
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Dutch
      • Home Country:
      • Netherlands
      • Current Location:
      • Netherlands
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    2
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default to manipulate the odds

    Hello!
    Can anyone tell me if 'manipulating the odds' is a correct english idiom. And what it generally means.
    Thanks

  2. #2
    BobK's Avatar
    BobK is online now Harmless drudge
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • UK
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    15,501
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: to manipulate the odds

    It's correct (though questionable*), but it's not an idiom.

    *I'm not a fan of using 'manipulate' to refer to operations that don't involve the hands (manus). But it is often used that way - meaning, here, 'to cause to change by artificial means'. 'The odds' here mean 'the likelihoods of various results, and the numbers associated with those likelihoods'.

    b

  3. #3
    annenas is offline Newbie
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Dutch
      • Home Country:
      • Netherlands
      • Current Location:
      • Netherlands
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    2
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: to manipulate the odds

    Thanks for generous and quick reply! This is really effective this forum!
    Cheers

  4. #4
    joham is offline Key Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • China
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    1,507
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: to manipulate the odds

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    It's correct (though questionable*), but it's not an idiom.

    *I'm not a fan of using 'manipulate' to refer to operations that don't involve the hands (manus). But it is often used that way - meaning, here, 'to cause to change by artificial means'. 'The odds' here mean 'the likelihoods of various results, and the numbers associated with those likelihoods'.

    b
    I like this thread very much. Thank you a lot, annenas and BobK. From this thread I got to know that the 'mani-' in 'manipulate' means the hands, which helps me to better understand this word. Could you tell me what the root '-pul-' means please? Thank you again.

  5. #5
    joham is offline Key Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • China
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    1,507
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: to manipulate the odds

    I found this webpage and seem to understand now. But thank you all the same.


    Vocabulary Made Easy


    books.google.com.hkVisual Education Corporation - 1984 - p128 The word implies a lack of thoroughness. A cursory examination is one that is not thoroughly done. The Root -pel-, -pul- To repel something is to drive, or push, it back — something repulsive drives you back. The root -pel- or -pul- ...

  6. #6
    catbert's Avatar
    catbert is offline Junior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    52
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: to manipulate the odds

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    *I'm not a fan of using 'manipulate' to refer to operations that don't involve the hands (manus). But it is often used that way

    Not only is the word "manipulate" often used that way, it's used that way almost exclusively.

  7. #7
    waflob is offline Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • Germany
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    172
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: to manipulate the odds

    What about manipulative people?

  8. #8
    catbert's Avatar
    catbert is offline Junior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    52
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: to manipulate the odds

    Quote Originally Posted by waflob View Post
    What about manipulative people?
    I shudder to think what that would imply if their hands were involved.

Similar Threads

  1. Falsify, manipulate, fake
    By arzgol in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 15-Jun-2011, 23:06
  2. [General] by all odds
    By vil in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 14-Aug-2010, 21:24
  3. Odds
    By Modena in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 21-May-2010, 09:43
  4. Against all odds
    By Anonymous in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 05-Jul-2007, 06:37
  5. Odds
    By NewHope in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 18-Dec-2004, 03:24

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •