Results 1 to 9 of 9

Thread: If vs. whether

  1. #1
    lasue is offline Newbie
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Finnish
      • Home Country:
      • Finland
      • Current Location:
      • Finland
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    6
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default If vs. whether

    I have two examples:

    "I was wondering whether it is..."
    "I was wondering if it is..."

    Are both of these correct from a native speaker's standpoint?

  2. #2
    billmcd is offline Key Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    3,505
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: If vs. whether

    Quote Originally Posted by lasue View Post
    I have two examples:

    "I was wondering whether it is..."
    "I was wondering if it is..."

    Are both of these correct from a native speaker's standpoint?
    "Maybe, but........................"

  3. #3
    lasue is offline Newbie
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Finnish
      • Home Country:
      • Finland
      • Current Location:
      • Finland
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    6
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: If vs. whether

    Extended examples would be:

    "I was wondering whether it is possible to drink while you drive."
    "I was wondering if it is possible to drink while you drive."

  4. #4
    Mohammadhelmi is offline Junior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • Arabic
      • Home Country:
      • Israel
      • Current Location:
      • Israel
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    79
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: If vs. whether

    "I was wondering whether it is..."
    "I was wondering if it is..."


    I am wondering whether it is expensive (or not).
    I am wondering if it is expensive.

    whether can be followed by or not at the end, whereas if cant not followed by or not.

  5. #5
    lasue is offline Newbie
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Finnish
      • Home Country:
      • Finland
      • Current Location:
      • Finland
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    6
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: If vs. whether

    Ok, thanks. I wanted to know whether it's a mistake to put "if" in place of "whether".

  6. #6
    billmcd is offline Key Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    3,505
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: If vs. whether

    Quote Originally Posted by Mohammadhelmi View Post
    "I was wondering whether it is..."
    "I was wondering if it is..."


    I am wondering whether it is expensive (or not).
    I am wondering if it is expensive.

    whether can be followed by or not at the end, whereas if cant not followed by or not.
    But you could say, ".........if it is expensive, or not".

  7. #7
    5jj's Avatar
    5jj is offline VIP Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Retired English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Czech Republic
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    28,167
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: If vs. whether

    Quote Originally Posted by Mohammadhelmi View Post
    whether can be followed by or not at the end, whereas if cant not be followed by or not.
    This is incorrect. 'Whether' can be followed immediately by 'or not'; 'if' cannot.

    I am wondering whether it is expensive or not.
    I am wondering whether or not it is expensive.

    I am wondering if it is expensive or not.
    I am wondering if or not it is expensive.

    In the first three examples, 'or not' is optional.

  8. #8
    Tdol is offline Editor, UsingEnglish.com
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • Japan
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Posts
    43,597
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: If vs. whether

    Quote Originally Posted by lasue View Post
    Ok, thanks. I wanted to know whether it's a mistake to put "if" in place of "whether".
    Not in your examples.

  9. #9
    5jj's Avatar
    5jj is offline VIP Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Retired English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Czech Republic
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    28,167
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: If vs. whether

    Here are some more thoughts on the subject. Note that they are what I think, and so are not to be taken as authoritative.

    7.1. IF and WHETHER


    • I don't know if/whether Mila is coming tomorrow (or not).
    • I am going out if Mila is coming.
    • I am going out whether Mila is coming or not.


    At first sight there is little difference in meaning in [73] whether we use IF or WHETHER, though only with the latter does or not have an acceptable alternative position immediately preceding Mila. In [74], however, WHETHER cannot be used, and in [75] most native speakers would find IF unusual. There is clearly, therefore, a difference in meaning between the two words.

    With IF we are considering the uncertainty of a happening or state. This means that we are not certain of its actual happening or state: its non-happening or non-state is a possibility, but that negative situation is not explicitly (or implicitly) considered. Indeed, the negative situation may change the meaning of the utterance as a whole. In [74], the speaker states only that in the event of Mila's coming, he is going out. The implication that in the event of Mila's not-coming the speaker will not go out may be intended by the speaker, or such an inference may be drawn by the listener, but it is impossible to say for sure. We have a double uncertainty: about the happening or state in the IF-clause, and about the consequence stated in the other clause in the event of non-happening or non-state.

    With WHETHER, on the other hand, the negative situation is always implicitly (and often explicitly) stated, and may change the meaning of the utterance as a whole. In [75] there is certainty that the speaker is going out. The single uncertainty is about the happening or state in the WHETHER-clause. The two utterances are fundamentally different in meaning, a necessity highlighted by the need to add or not to the WHETHER-clause [75] and the need not to add it to the IF-clause [74].

    [73] presents a different situation. Here, there is still the same uncertainty about whether Mila is coming. However if the speaker does not know about her coming, then he clearly does not know about her not-coming. Knowing is not a consequence of coming, as opposed to going out in [74], which is a consequence of coming. Thus, while the difference in meaning between IF and WHETHER is the same as ever, the differences in the practical results of the difference in meanings are minimal. This explains why we can use either word in such non-consequential statements, and also why if not is acceptable (or omissible) with both words.

    http://www.gramorak.com/Articles/If.pdf

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •