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    Default past participles

    Hello,

    I have some problems with past participles.We can use this participle instead of 'adverbial of clauses'.

    -Altough given a great pain by her, he still loves her.
    -Because deceived by him, she deserted him.

    They are ok.

    It is written that we can't use this participles after that (after-before-since-on-in)

    -After released from prison, they went on commiting crimes. (It is incorrect)
    -After being released from prison, they went on commiting crimes (It is ok)

    1)My question is:Can you say to me please that which adverbials are acceptable?

    For example, 'when-while'.

    -When seen by a police, they had run away. (Is it ok?)

    Can we put 'V3' directly after 'when' ? Or Must we put 'being' after 'when'?

    2)I could't understand 'since'.

    -Since being promoted to this position, I have been ery rich. (It is ok)
    But,

    'Since' can be used instead of 'because'.My question is:Does this rule contain both uses of since.

    For example:
    -Since they have been so loved by their parents, they are spoiled. (It is ok)

    Can't we write like that :
    -Since loved by their parents, they are so spoiled. (Is it ok?)

    Thanks...
    Last edited by aliii; 02-Nov-2011 at 00:17.

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    Default Re: past participles

    For your information,

    Because deceived by him, she deserted him.

    is not possible!

    Neither would be a similarly constructed sentence using 'since', unless it were in a time sense, so that in e.g.

    Since winning the lottery, he has been a new man.

    'since' would be a preposition meaning 'since the time at which...' and not a conjunction meaning 'as/because...'.

    Two conjunctions that freely allow formation of the kind of condensed clauses to which you are refer are 'when' and 'while', e.g.

    When going on holiday, be sure to lock your windows.
    (< When you are going on holiday,...)

    I met a friend while walking in the park.

    (< while I was walking in the park)

    Be aware, however, that they are the exception rather than the rule! For concessive phrases, 'although' is usable in this way in combination with a following adjective, e.g.

    Although anxious to know what had happened, he refrained from asking any questions.

    but when a verbal notion is involved, we use the construction [despite/in spite of + gerund]:

    Despite being an excellent player, he lost terribly.


    (not: *Although being...')

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    Default Re: past participles

    Please could you write to me which adverbials are acceptable with verb 3 without any subject?

    When + V3
    While + V3
    Since + V3

    Note: Pleas not with 'being + V3'

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    Default Re: past participles

    Any answer? :/

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    Default Re: past participles

    Quote Originally Posted by aliii View Post
    Any answer? :/
    It seems not. Your original post involved so many problems - and false assumptions, that I did not know how to begin to respond. Also, as I mentioned in another thread, "it is written that..." is most unhelpful unless you tell us where, and by whom, it was written.

    Now, let's move to your last post:
    Please could you write to me which adverbials are acceptable with verb 3 without any subject?

    When + V3......While + V3.......Since + V3
    When asked (about his extra-marital affairs), he changes/changed the subject. ...Fine

    While ( = although) defeated, he still looked defiant. ... Just about possible.

    Since (the time that we previously mentioned) re-elected, he has been more discreet about his extra-marital affairs....Possible, especially if said/written by a journalist.

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