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    Default tryst with destiny

    What does it mean?


    does it mean that appointment with destiny?

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    Default Re: tryst with destiny

    Quote Originally Posted by david11 View Post
    What does it mean?


    Does it mean an appointment with destiny?
    Yes, a tryst is a kind of appointment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    Yes, a tryst is a kind of appointment.
    But sir it is an speech of a prime minister during Independence of his nation. so, could you please tell what it may mean ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by david11 View Post
    But sir it is an speech of a prime minister during Independence of his nation. so, could you please tell what it may mean ?
    If you knew the context already, it would have been helpful to have told us that in your original post. If you post the whole sentence or paragraph we will be more able to assist.

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    When a nation becomes independent, it is truly a meeting with destiny as that nation will be in control of its future and not subject to external rule.

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    The phrase comes from the first sentence of Nehru’s speech to the Indian Assembly on the night before independence was achieved in August of 1947*. One British newspaper has said it’s one of the greatest speeches of the 20th century**.
    While the major portion of this great speech is virtuous, true and deeply inspiring, it is peppered with what today’s journalists would probably call “Nehruisms”. Perhaps the Prime Minister (or his speech writer) should have taken a closer look at the word tryst. It means: a private, romantic rendezvous between lovers.
    A "tryst with destiny" sounds so profound, so intellectual - almost believable in its allusion. Imagine a whole nation having a love affair with destiny? It was certainly taken as highly patriotic when spoken as part of this Independence Day speech. But the fact is, the word means what it means and no matter who says it, or to whom, it still feels a bit mawkish and contrived. Given the times and the years of struggle that lay behind India that August, it is understandable that her leaders sought to be as eloquent as possible when speaking of their new nation. Had Nehru replaced “tryst” with the more flat “promise”, is just wouldn’t have felt the same.

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    * “Long years ago we made a tryst with destiny, and now the time comes when we shall redeem our pledge, not wholly or in full measure, but very substantially.”
    ** http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardia.../greatspeeches

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    [QUOTE=JohnParis;819569]The phrase comes from the first sentence of Nehru’s speech to the Indian Assembly on the night before independence was achieved in August of 1947*. One British newspaper has said it’s one of the greatest speeches of the 20th century**.
    While the major portion of this great speech is virtuous, true and deeply inspiring, it is peppered with what today’s journalists would probably call “Nehruisms”. Perhaps the Prime Minister (or his speech writer) should have taken a closer look at the word tryst. It means: a private, romantic rendezvous between lovers.
    A "tryst with destiny" sounds so profound, so intellectual - almost believable in its allusion. Imagine a whole nation having a love affair with destiny? It was certainly taken as highly patriotic when spoken as part of this Independence Day speech. But the fact is, the word means what it means and no matter who says it, or to whom, it still feels a bit mawkish and contrived. Given the times and the years of struggle that lay behind India that August, it is understandable that her leaders sought to be as eloquent as possible when speaking of their new nation. Had Nehru replaced “tryst” with the more flat “promise”, is just wouldn’t have felt the same.

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    Sir, your knowledge about the India is really amazing.

    I read that speech through the link given by you.


    Long years ago we made a tryst with destiny

    does it mean that "our freedom is destined to happen" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by david11 View Post
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    Long years ago we made a tryst with destiny

    does it mean that "our freedom is destined to happen" ?
    No. Perhaps it means that freedom was 'destined to happen', but whatever you choose to think it means (is Pakistan free, and if so, in what sense?....; this forum is no place for discussing this or similar questions) but the meeting had already happened at the time of the speech. I believe Nehru was talking about the abstract principle of destiny (what makes destined things happen) rather than 'destiny' in any particular instance.

    This sort of issue is an example of how important it is, when considering meanings, to look at the context.

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    My post addressed the misuse of the word "tryst", and nothing - repeat - nothing else.

    I do not, I did not, and will not interpret parts of speeches by any politician anywhere or at any time.

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    Last edited by JohnParis; 06-Nov-2011 at 15:43.

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    Good plan!

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