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    "If he keeps up his spending habits, he will have been $100,000 in debt."

    If I take that sentence and claim his father said that, then:

    "His father said If he keeps/kept up his spending habits, he will/would have been $100,000 in debt."

    What should I do with "keep/kept" and "will/would"?

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    Re: Future Perfective

    The verb tenses in both clauses must agree in time:


    If he keeps up his spending habits, he will be $100,000 in debt."

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    Re: Future Perfective

    So, either of,

    "His father said If he keeps up his spending habits, he will have been $100,000 in debt."

    "His father said If he kept up his spending habits, he would have been $100,000 in debt."

    is okay?

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    Re: Future Perfective

    Quote Originally Posted by bobmail1 View Post
    So, either of,

    "His father said If he keeps up his spending habits, he will have been $100,000 in debt."

    "His father said If he kept up his spending habits, he would have been $100,000 in debt."

    is okay?
    Hi bob, and welcome to the forums.

    For the first, it must be "...habits, he will be $100,000..."

    For the second, I would have written "... if he had kept up his ..." but conditionals are not my strong suit. (I am not very good at them.) It's possible your way without the past perfect is okay too.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: Future Perfective

    Quote Originally Posted by bobmail1 View Post
    "If he keeps up his spending habits, he will have been $100,000 in debt."
    I agree with Barb: that sentence is not natural. Only 'will be' works in the sentence as it stands.

    Reporting this, we end up with either:His father said (that) if he keeps up....,he will be ...
    or: His father said that if he kept up ... he would be...


    Both are possible.


    His father said that he he had kept up .... he would be/would have been... . This is possible, but reports different sentences from the one we considered originally.

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    Re: Future Perfective

    So, future perfect doesn't exist in modern English?

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    Re: Future Perfective

    Quote Originally Posted by bobmail1 View Post
    So, future perfect doesn't exist in modern English?
    Nobody said that.

    By the time I go to bed this evening, I will have written ten more posts.

    Note that it is used for a time period that extends up to a future time, and an action completed during that time.
    Last edited by Barb_D; 09-Nov-2011 at 21:16. Reason: fixed potentially confusing typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    Nobody said that.

    By the time I go to bed this evening, I will have written ten more posts.

    Note that it is used for a time period that extends up to a future time, and an action completed during that time.
    Does a past tense version of future perfect exist?
    Last edited by Barb_D; 09-Nov-2011 at 21:17.

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    Re: Future Perfective

    Quote Originally Posted by bobmail1 View Post
    Does a past tense version of future perfect exist?
    Jagger settled on the island in 1832. Within ten years he would father thirteen children.

    It's possible to say, "... he would have fathered thirteen children". A 'future perfect in the past' is rare. Because it is in the past, a 'future in the past' is sufficient.

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