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    Question middle transitive

    Hi all;
    I wanna know whether we have "middle transitive verb" in category of transitive verb
    e.g :can we call "have" a middle transitive ?

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    Re: middle transitive

    Quote Originally Posted by 1364
    Hi all;
    I wanna know whether we have "middle transitive verb" in category of transitive verb
    e.g :can we call "have" a middle transitive ?

    All the best
    If we do have a middle transitive in English, I would imagine in manifested in constructions such as "This book reads well." or This rabbit cooks nicely.". How would you imagine "have" appearing as a middle transitive?
    Last edited by M56; 24-Oct-2005 at 09:55.

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    Question Re: middle transitive

    Quote Originally Posted by M56
    If we do have a middle transitive in English, I would imagine in manifested in constructions such as "This book read well." or This rabbit cooks nicely.". How would you imagine "have" appearing as a middle transitive?
    well, of course this is not my idea.our teacher told us we have some categories for transitive verbs,such as:mono transitive,di transitive,intransitive,...
    but; we can't categorize some verbs in these group ;such as"have" & "has",... .because we need a noun after them andalso this noun is'nt the object of the verb so this verb is neither transitive nor intransitive! so we call them "middle trasitive".
    e.g:"she has a brother"

    so what do u think

    thanks again

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    Re: middle transitive

    Transitivty is about argument structure, not semantics.

    Intransitive verbs have one argument, the subject.
    Transitive verbs have two arguments, the subject and the object.

    Note that, "object" refers to a verb's subcategorization. A transitive verb requires help to express its meaning. That help comes in the form of another word, an "object", or the verb's object.

    Ditransitive verbs require three arguments, the subject, the indirect object, and the direct object.

    Complex-transitive verbs require three arguments, the subject, the object, and the object complement.

    Linking verbs require two arguments, the subject and the subject complement or an adverb.

    Here's a great tutorial: http://www.uvsc.edu/owl/handouts/rev...of%20verbs.pdf

    Note, HAVE has more than one function. It can be transitive.

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    Re: middle transitive

    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea


    Complex-transitive verbs require three arguments, the subject, the object, and the object complement.
    Nice to see you picked that up. So my explanation was useful.

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    Re: middle transitive

    [QUOTE=Casiopea]Transitivty is about argument structure, not semantics.

    QUOTE]

    That is only a part of the story, actually. It is only one element of a whole cluster of related "transitivity" properties which a clause may have. See Hopper and Thompson (1980).

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    Wink Re: middle transitive

    Thank you guys

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    Re: middle transitive

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    Thank you guys
    You're welcome. Take a look at this if you get time:

    More conjectures and refutations on strict transitivity

    My recent suggestions for verbs so rigidly transitive that they always have an overt direct object (where it is permitted) were have and keep. There may be some others; but not the ones some people have been sending me.

    http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/langu...es/000976.html

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    Wink Re: middle transitive

    Quote Originally Posted by M56
    You're welcome. Take a look at this if you get time:

    More conjectures and refutations on strict transitivity

    My recent suggestions for verbs so rigidly transitive that they always have an overt direct object (where it is permitted) were have and keep. There may be some others; but not the ones some people have been sending me.

    http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/langu...es/000976.html
    thanks amillion again that was perfect!

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