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I have used past participle (terrorized,summered ,stormed and seen ) in following sentences.are all my following sentence correct ? Please solve my problem.


1- In Afghanistan Reporters have seen a group of terrorized people.

2- They have brought summered animals to bathe

3- He was stuck in stormed building.

4- I made list of seen movies.
 

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1- In Afghanistan Reporters have seen a group of terrorized people.

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In Afghanistan, reporters have seen a group of people who've been terrorized.

^ I think this is the proper use of the perfect tense, and perhaps one of the teachers or the native speakers might give a better answer than my own.
 

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I have used past participle (terrorized,summered ,stormed and seen ) in following sentences.are all my following sentence correct ? Please solve my problem.


1- In Afghanistan Reporters have seen a group of terrorized people. (See easybreakable's response)

2- They have brought summered animals to bathe What is a "summered animal"?

3- He was stuck in stormed building. "...stuck in a building damaged by the (OR "a") storm".

4- I made list of seen movies. ".. a list of movies I have seen".

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1- In Afghanistan Reporters have seen a group of terrorized people.

2- They have brought summered animals to bathe

3- He was stuck in stormed building.

4- I made list of seen movies.


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(1) Great question! I, too, am waiting for a teacher to answer you.

(2) I think that I understand your question:

Reporters saw a group of people who had been terrorized (by some people).

Thus: Reporters saw a group of terrorized people.

I think it works in that sentence.

They brought summered animals to bathe

I have no idea what you mean by "summered animals." Do those animals have something to do with the season of summer?

He was stuck in a building that had been stormed (by the police, the terrorists, etc.)

I do not know whether you can refer to a "stormed building."

Yet, I think (repeat: think) you could say "He was stuck in the raided building."

I made a list of the movies that I have seen

I do not know whether you can refer to "seen movies."

Yet, I think (repeat: think) that you could say "I made a list of previously seen movies."
 

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Thanks for expressing your view on

a building has been stormed by police (it is right according to you )
then why we can not use stormed building ( a building which has been stormed by police just like terrorized people )
I am waiting your response
 

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Thanks for expressing your view on

a building has been stormed by police (it is right according to you )
then why we can not use stormed building ( a building which has been stormed by police just like terrorized people ) One reason would be for the reason that I misunderstood your meaning, as a reference to a building damaged by a storm.
I am waiting your response

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then why we can not use stormed building ( a building which has been stormed by police just like terrorized people )
I am waiting your response


I, too, am waiting for a teacher to answer your great question. I want to know.
 

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summered animals

You also say ,what is summered animals

See following sentence

1-Animals are wintered inside on straw. (Winter means- to keep animal some where
during winter)
In same way ,we can also write
Animals are summered inside . (Summer- to keep animals somewhere during
summer)
So from there i used summered animals.

next you say

reporters saw a group of people who have been terrorized .(according to you, it
should be)

Sir i also agree to it but why (reporters have seen a group of terrorized people) is wrong
There are following some sentences .According to you all must be wrong
1- They found a murdered boy inside building.


2- Frightened birds were kept in cage by Fowler .
But these two sentences are perfectly correct then why mine.

According to you,i think it should be like this
they found a boy who has been murdered
Fowler kept birds which were frightened
But sir my written sentences are also perfectly correct.
Please sir
i think now you must have got my problem .please solve it.
 

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Re: summered animals

You also say ,what is summered animals

See following sentence

1-Animals are wintered inside on straw. (Winter means- to keep animal some where
during winter)
In same way ,we can also write
Animals are summered inside . (Summer- to keep animals somewhere during
summer)
So from there i used summered animals.

next you say

reporters saw a group of people who have been terrorized .(according to you, it
should be)

Sir i also agree to it but why (reporters have seen a group of terrorized people) is wrong
There are following some sentences .According to you all must be wrong
1- They found a murdered boy inside building.


2- Frightened birds were kept in cage by Fowler .
But these two sentences are perfectly correct then why mine.

According to you,i think it should be like this
they found a boy who has been murdered
Fowler kept birds which were frightened
But sir my written sentences are also perfectly correct.
Please sir
i think now you must have got my problem .please solve it.


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(1) I am disappointed that no teachers have answered you (and me) yet. :-(

(2) Let me share a few ideas (these are not answers).

(3) I apologize for not making my ideas clearer.

(4) You are 100% correct: The reporters saw some terrorized people.

I was trying to explain that the sentence was probably a shorter way to

say "The reporters saw some people who had been terrorized."

(a) In other words, English often lets you take a past participle and use it as an

adjective.

(i) For example: King X is beloved by his people. We can also say: The beloved

king will speak to his people tonight."

(5) Yes, "The murdered boy was only 18 years old" is a perfect sentence. I was

just trying to explain that the long way to say this would be: The boy who was

murdered was only ...."

(6) Regarding "summered animals," I shall only say this: As you know, in the year of

2011, there are many Englishes. That is, people in the world speak different kinds of

English. If English-speaking people in your country are comfortable with "summered animals,"

then it is correct for them. (I think that almost all Americans would not say "summered

animals"). Personally, I like "Animals are summered inside." That's a nice way to

use the English language. Americans might not use that kind of sentence, but as I said there are now many Englishes.
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(7) Last night, I thought about your "stormed building" question. Here are a few comments (not answers):

(a) It seems that the past participles of some verbs cannot be used as an adjective.
You can say "The building was stormed by the terrorists," but I do not think that you can say "Many people were inside the stormed building." It just doesn't sound right -- at least to me.

You would have to find another past participle. Maybe something like:

Fifteen minutes ago, 100 terrorists stormed the embassy and took control of it.
Army troops have just arrived and are surrounding the captured building.
 

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Thank you, Parser
I hope any teacher definitely help both of us .i thank you for showing interest in my questions.From your answering ,one thing i got to understand that each verb can not be made
participle to behave as adjective when it is used with noun, unless it sounds perfect.

Actually friend ,i am writing a script for Hollywood movie,being an Indian.I have learnt almost a
complete dictionary but while writing script i faced problem of past participle.you are American you know the far better than Indian.i hope you will help me.

One thing,you must clear to me any how
Can i use past participle of any verb with noun if it sounds perfect .ex cleaned sofa,taken items,sent mails,.
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Thank you.

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Someone with a better understanding of "why" may still answer this, but the short answer is "No, you cannot take every transitive verb and use the particple form as a pre-modifying adjective."

If the action leaves the items in a changed state, it is possible.

I smashed the vase. I cleaned up the smashed vase. The vase was in a "state" of being smashed.

I frightend the people. The frightened people cried. The people were in a "state" of being frightened.

However, if I bump into someone, they don't continue in a state of "bumped." They are not changed by the process of bumping. You wouldn't write "The bumped person complained loudly."

However, if a bump into someone hard enough that they fall down and are injured, being injured is now a state. "I bumped into someone and he fell, banging his elbow quite hard. However, the injured man was quite gracious when I apologized."

A buidling, once stormed, doesn't continue in a state of being stormed. It's a momentary action. It could be damaged, or ravaged, or destroyed, but the momentary action of storming it does not create a "stormed" condition. It can created a damaged buidling.

There are some cases where it will be obvious that the verb and the resulting state are the same (ripped, injured, etc.) There will be some where it's obvious that they are not the same. And there will be many in the middle when you may have to ask a native speaker if it sounds natural.
 

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i am writing a script for Hollywood movie
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(1) Thank you for your kind note.

(a) Please study the post written by the moderator. It has some very important

advice.

(i) You can always post a question here whenever you want to know whether a

particular past participle can be used as an adjective.

(ii) Good luck on your script. I hope that it is a great success.

(iii) I am an old man. I do not know what Facebook is and I do not want to know.

I am sure, however, that you can meet many Americans on Facebook, and they

can help you with your script.
 

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Very very thank you
you solved my almost half of the problem.one more request
Can i write this sentence
1- I saw a building stormed by police
which one of following is wrong (participle of transitive verb used with noun in sentence)
2- offered price
3- asked question
4-left things
5-submitted paper
6- Badged policemen

Tell me above participial used as adjective with noun is correct .can we use them in sentence.
 

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Very very thank you
you solved my almost half of the problem.one more request
Can i write this sentence
1- I saw a building stormed by police
which one of following is wrong (participle of transitive verb used with noun in sentence)
2- offered price
3- asked question
4-left things
5-submitted paper
6- Badged policemen

Tell me above participial used as adjective with noun is correct .can we use them in sentence.

2 is a bit jargon-y to me. I'd prefer "the price offered." As in The price offered was less than what I was willing to sell it for, so I took it off the market."

3 I find unnatural, except in a case when you are contrasting it with the "unasked" question. Even so, I'd reverse the order: The question asked was not as important to her as the questions left unasked.

4 if you mean things someone left behind, no.

5 maybe - I'd still be likely to say "The paper she submitted."

6 not "badged" but "uniformed policeman" would be okay.
 

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Can i write this sentence
1- I saw a building stormed by police
which one of following is wrong (participle of transitive verb used with noun in sentence)
2- offered price
3- asked question
4-left things
5-submitted paper
6- Badged policemen


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(1) I shall start the discussion, and hopefully a teacher will soon answer you.

(2) These comments are only my opinions. The teachers will give you real

answers.

(3) In my opinion, "I saw a building stormed by the police" is perfect. It is simply a short way to write "I saw a building [that was/ had been] stormed by the police.

(4) IMO. I think this is OK: "I did not sell my house, because the offered price was too low.

(5) IMO, I do not think you can refer to the "asked question."

(6) IMO, I do not think that you can refer to the "left things."

(7) IMO, I think this is OK: The manager will read all the submitted papers and then announce her decision.

(8) IMO, I do not think that you can refer to "badged police officers."

EDIT: While I was typing, the moderator gave you the answers.
 

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Thanks,now i am satisfied .now in future if i will post problem if i have any problem regarding it.
 
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