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    Re: Uncountable or countable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bennevis View Post
    Do they really?

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    I wouldn't know for sure, I'm just going by what emsr2d2 said:

    Videotape = two meanings: 1) the strip of magnetic tape held inside the object and 2) the medium by which some things are recorded/played back
    Video tape = another name for "video cassette"

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    Re: Uncountable or countable?

    I don't think anybody would ever say, in real life, "videotape cassette." It would just be a "videotape."

    If you were thinking of the tapes (meaning the whole cassette) then you would consider it countable.

    If you were thinking of the medium, then it is uncountable.

    To me, the natural way to ask would be "Who still uses videotape?"

    (And there is no difference between "video tape" and "videotape.")

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    Re: Uncountable or countable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chicken Sandwich View Post
    Thanks for clearing this up! I didn't even notice that "videotape" and "video tape" had different meanings.
    It doesn't. Forget about the space or lack of space in her writing and focus on the presence or lack of an "s" on the word. That was the point.

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    Re: Uncountable or countable?

    Maybe I'm imagining the difference in spelling but to my mind "a video tape" is a cassette, and "videotape" is a format and would not be preceded by an article. If it turns out that I'm alone in that belief, I will happily concede the point and never mention it again!

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    Re: Uncountable or countable?

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    Maybe I'm imagining the difference in spelling but to my mind "a video tape" is a cassette, and "videotape" is a format and would not be preceded by an article. If it turns out that I'm alone in that belief, I will happily concede the point and never mention it again!
    I agree with you.

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    Re: Uncountable or countable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chicken Sandwich View Post
    OK, thanks. The Concise Oxford English Dictionary says:

    Videotape - noun: magnetic tape for recording and reproducing visual images and sound ==> a video cassette. (So a videotape can mean a video cassette as well?)

    This is where I'm still confused. If videotape means the same as a video cassette, then in my opinion:
    Is that how COED defines "==>"? As equality?
    I think it means something like "hence, or thus". It could even be a cross-reference.
    I don't believe that COED would assert that videotape was a videocassette. Maybe you could check the front notes for us.

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    Re: Uncountable or countable?

    That "==>" sign was supposed to be a solid arrow.

    ENTRY STRUCTURE: CORE SENSE AND SUBSENSES
    Within each part of speech the first definition given is the core sense. This
    represents the typical, central, or ‘core’ meaning of the word in modern
    standard English. The core meaning is not necessarily the oldest meaning, nor
    is it always the most frequent meaning, because figurative and extended senses
    are sometimes the most frequent. It is the meaning accepted by native speakers
    as the one which is most established as literal and central.
    Each word has at least one core sense, which acts as a gateway to other,
    related subsenses. The relationship between core sense and subsense is
    indicated in the dictionary entry by the placing of the subsenses immediately
    after the core sense, introduced by a solid arrow symbol.
    Many entries have
    more than one core sense. Each new core sense is introduced by a bold sense
    number, and each may have its own related subsense or subsenses.

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