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    Default 4 or 4th

    Are you free the weekend of November 4 ?

    How about ' 4th ' ?

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    Default Re: 4 or 4th

    Quote Originally Posted by whl626
    Are you free the weekend of November 4 ?

    How about ' 4th ' ?
    The second one, 4th is what is used.

    :)

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    :) Then I would put it that people just want to make it short for convenience sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whl626
    :) Then I would put it that people just want to make it short for convenience sake.
    Do you mean leave out the month? That's possible if that is understood. Example:

    • Are you free on the fourth?


    What I meant tho is that people would either say November fourth or the fourth of November.

    :)

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    No, I mean leave out the ' th ' :).

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    Quote Originally Posted by whl626
    No, I mean leave out the ' th ' :).

    Mm. In business letters people tend to leave out the 'th':

    8) Are you free the weekend of November 4?
    8) Are you free the weekend of 4 November?

    I don't know if it's that way in spoken form, though.

    :D

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    What I've seen is the first :) " Are you free the weekend of November 4 ?

    That's why I wonder if 4 is short for 4th ? because of laziness :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by whl626
    What I've seen is the first :) " Are you free the weekend of November 4 ?

    That's why I wonder if 4 is short for 4th ? because of laziness :P
    Using Numbers, Writing Lists

    The advice proffered here is meant primarily for standard academic prose. Business and technical writing sometimes goes by a different set of standards, and writers of those kinds of text should consult a manual dedicated to those standards. (The APA Publication Manual has an extensive section devoted to the use of numbers in technical papers. The Chicago Manual of Style [chapter 13] addresses just about every issue that might come up in a technical or mathematical text.)

    Dates and years: December 18, 1997. Avoid using ordinals when writing dates: Her birthday is on April 4.

    http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/numbers.htm
    :D

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    That is some source :). That clears up the mess once and for all :) Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea
    Quote Originally Posted by whl626
    What I've seen is the first :) " Are you free the weekend of November 4 ?

    That's why I wonder if 4 is short for 4th ? because of laziness :P
    Using Numbers, Writing Lists

    The advice proffered here is meant primarily for standard academic prose. Business and technical writing sometimes goes by a different set of standards, and writers of those kinds of text should consult a manual dedicated to those standards. (The APA Publication Manual has an extensive section devoted to the use of numbers in technical papers. The Chicago Manual of Style [chapter 13] addresses just about every issue that might come up in a technical or mathematical text.)

    Dates and years: December 18, 1997. Avoid using ordinals when writing dates: Her birthday is on April 4.

    http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/numbers.htm
    :D
    Apparently, that is some kind of rule for business writing. In speech at least, my birthday has always been July 4th.

    Do you know what day of the year is a sentence?

    :wink:

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