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    Default He was 24 in 2000, when I was only five years old.

    This is a question related to a relative adverb, and the answer goes like this. But does a comma have to be inserted between "2000' and "when"? The explanation for the answer is that 2000 is already known information and when-clause is addtional information for it.
    But why can the original sentence be as it is? In the original sentence, when-clause can work as a describing part for 2000, can't it?

    Q.Correct a wrong part.
    ex)He was 24 in 2000 when I was only five years old. (no comma)
    => He was 24 in 2000, when I was only five years old. (comma)

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    Default Re: He was 24 in 2000, when I was only five years old.

    Hint: In 2000, when I was only five years old, he was 24 What you think about that with only the second comma?

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    Default Re: He was 24 in 2000, when I was only five years old.

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Hint: In 2000, when I was only five years old, he was 24 What you think about that with only the second comma?

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    I think the second sentence with a comma makes sense, but doesn't the original sentence without a comma make sense as well?

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    Default Re: He was 24 in 2000, when I was only five years old.

    I'd like to know if the original sentence makes sense.
    ex)He was 24 in 2000 when I was only five years old. (no comma)

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    Default Re: He was 24 in 2000, when I was only five years old.



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    Default Re: He was 24 in 2000, when I was only five years old.

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    Do you mean it doesn't work?

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    Default Re: He was 24 in 2000, when I was only five years old.

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    I'd like to know if the original sentence makes sense.
    ex)He was 24 in 2000 when I was only five years old. (no comma)
    I don't notice any ambiguity without the comma since, as your say, 2000 is 2000, and it can't be modified by the following clause. But I'd use a comma anyway, since it's a non-defining clause.

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    Default Re: He was 24 in 2000, when I was only five years old.

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    Do you mean it doesn't work?
    Not for me. As Raymott says, there's no ambiguity without it, but if we all stopped doing things on those grounds language would be pretty anarachic . Sometimes you do something because it's the right thing to do.

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    Default Re: He was 24 in 2000, when I was only five years old.

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Not for me. As Raymott says, there's no ambiguity without it, but if we all stopped doing things on those grounds language would be pretty anarachic . Sometimes you do something because it's the right thing to do.

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    Actually, I roughly understood the explanation of you two, but as a non-native speaker, I can't understand well. I'm sorry this might be frustrating.
    Is the logic like this? If something is defined like 2000, isn't there any more to add to describe it? I seem to have seen phrases like "In the year 2002 when Korea advanced to the World Cup semifinal,....." without a comma, and this concept of adding commas is new to me.

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    Default Re: He was 24 in 2000, when I was only five years old.

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    Actually, I roughly understood the explanation of you two, but as a non-native speaker, I can't understand well. I'm sorry this might be frustrating.
    Is the logic like this? If something is defined like 2000, isn't there any more to add to describe it? I seem to have seen phrases like "In the year 2002 when Korea advanced to the World Cup semifinal,....." without a comma, and this concept of adding commas is new to me.
    Mnemonic for handling non-defining clauses: if it's a comment add a comma.

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