Results 1 to 7 of 7
  1. keannu's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Korean
      • Home Country:
      • South Korea
      • Current Location:
      • South Korea

    • Join Date: Dec 2010
    • Posts: 4,559
    • Post Thanks / Like
    #1

    There used to be(would) a big tree in my neighbor's house

    Is the reason why "would" can't be used for a past state that "would" can only denote actions, so it means "a big tree was one time and disappeared and later it was there, and disappeared, then third time,,fourth time, etc"?

    ex)There used to be(would be(x)) a big tree in my neighbor's house.
    Last edited by keannu; 12-Feb-2012 at 15:23.

  2. 5jj's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Retired English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Czech Republic

    • Join Date: Oct 2010
    • Posts: 28,167
    • Post Thanks / Like
    #2

    Re: There used to be(would) a big tree in my neighbor's house

    Yes

  3. Raymott's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Academic
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • Australia
      • Current Location:
      • Australia

    • Join Date: Jun 2008
    • Posts: 20,229
    • Post Thanks / Like
    #3

    Re: There used to be(would) a big tree in my neighbor's house

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    Is the reason why "would" can't be used for a past state that "would" can only denote actions, so it means "a big tree was one time and disappeared and later it was there, and disappeared, then third time,,fourth time, etc"?

    ex)There used to be(would(x)) a big tree in my neighbor's house.
    You can say, "When I got home from school, there would always be a glass of milk and some cookies waiting for me."

    Why have you given "would" and "would(x)" as an alternative to "used to be"? Surely you mean "would be".

  4. keannu's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Korean
      • Home Country:
      • South Korea
      • Current Location:
      • South Korea

    • Join Date: Dec 2010
    • Posts: 4,559
    • Post Thanks / Like
    #4

    Re: There used to be(would) a big tree in my neighbor's house

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    You can say, "When I got home from school, there would always be a glass of milk and some cookies waiting for me."

    Why have you given "would" and "would(x)" as an alternative to "used to be"? Surely you mean "would be".
    My grammar book says past states can't be described by "would", but your example seems to be a habitual action not to mean a state, so it can be understood as a habitual action.

  5. Raymott's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Academic
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • Australia
      • Current Location:
      • Australia

    • Join Date: Jun 2008
    • Posts: 20,229
    • Post Thanks / Like
    #5

    Re: There used to be(would) a big tree in my neighbor's house

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    My grammar book says past states can't be described by "would", but your example seems to be a habitual action not to mean a state, so it can be understood as a habitual action.
    It can be described as an action, but no action is described.
    Obviously someone is putting the milk and cookies there, but that isn't in the sentence.

  6. keannu's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Korean
      • Home Country:
      • South Korea
      • Current Location:
      • South Korea

    • Join Date: Dec 2010
    • Posts: 4,559
    • Post Thanks / Like
    #6

    Re: There used to be(would) a big tree in my neighbor's house

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    It can be described as an action, but no action is described.
    Obviously someone is putting the milk and cookies there, but that isn't in the sentence.
    Seeing your example, I think it would be proper to say "would" is not for past habitual actions but past habitual events. and that's why it can't be used to describe a long-term state like "There used to be a big tree".

  7. emsr2d2's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • UK

    • Join Date: Jul 2009
    • Posts: 24,998
    • Post Thanks / Like
    #7

    Re: There used to be(would) a big tree in my neighbor's house

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    Seeing your example, I think it would be proper to say "would" is not for past habitual actions but past habitual events. and that's why it can't be used to describe a long-term state like "There used to be a big tree".
    You're right. You can't say "There would be a big tree" instead of "There used to be a big tree".

    You might use "would" to describe a habitual observation about the tree.

    Every time I saw the big tree, I would think it had grown another couple of inches.
    Each time I drove past the big tree, I would utter an involuntary "Wow!"

Similar Threads

  1. for planting a tree? or to plant a tree?
    By optimistic pessimist in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 03-May-2011, 11:28
  2. [Grammar] neighbor's or neighbors'
    By Heidi in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 13-Apr-2011, 01:57
  3. big break? = big success or just a breakthrough?
    By keannu in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 25-Jan-2011, 20:13
  4. Big children means big problems.
    By Clark in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 14-Oct-2008, 15:25
  5. a high tree or a tall tree
    By Anonymous in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 05-Feb-2004, 05:23

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •