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    unless it will be won

    Therefore, the fundamental principle is that no battle, combat, or skirmish is to be fought unless it will be won.
    (Guerrilla Warfare; Ernesto "Che" Guevara)

    Can the usage of the future tense be justified here?
    (Or had I better close this translation?)

    Thanks.

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    Re: unless it will be won

    Quote Originally Posted by suprunp View Post
    Therefore, the fundamental principle is that no battle, combat, or skirmish is to be fought unless it will be won.
    (Guerrilla Warfare; Ernesto "Che" Guevara)

    Can the usage of the future tense be justified here?
    (Or had I better close this translation?)

    Thanks.
    Yes, it can be justified, IMO.

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    Re: unless it will be won

    I agree.

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    Re: unless it will be won

    Thank you, bhaisahab and 5jj!

    Could you elaborate on this?

    Thanks.

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    Re: unless it will be won

    I know I lack imagination at times, but what other tense could you use there?
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: unless it will be won

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    I know I lack imagination at times, but what other tense could you use there?
    Therefore, the fundamental principle is that no battle, combat, or skirmish is to be fought unless it is won / has been won.

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    Re: unless it will be won

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    I know I lack imagination at times, but what other tense could you use there?
    suprunp is perhaps thinking of the 'rule' that we cannot use will in conditional clauses. That rule is, of course, misleading, as we not infrequently use will in conditonal clauses.

    Compare:

    We will all be enslaved unless the battle is won. (But we will not be enslaved if the battle is won. We are talking about future possibilities.)
    You are not to fight unless the battle will be won. (You are to fight only if there is a certainty of winning. We are not talking about possibilities)

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    Re: unless it will be won

    Quote Originally Posted by suprunp View Post
    Therefore, the fundamental principle is that no battle, combat, or skirmish is to be fought unless it is won / has been won.

    You won't being to fight unless it has already been won?

    That tense sequences ... well, I can't make it make sense.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: unless it will be won

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    You won't being to fight unless it has already been won?

    That tense sequences ... well, I can't make it make sense.
    Well, if we assume that we should fight only when we are sure of our victory and we should not fight unless our plan or strategy has been proven theoretically effective then:
    "No battle is to be fought unless it has been won (in your mind - according to your plan, strategy, logic)."

    But otherwise I can see now why it doesn't work.

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    Re: unless it will be won



    Still not understanding the logic.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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