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    Default Re: unless it will be won

    Quote Originally Posted by suprunp View Post
    Therefore, the fundamental principle is that no battle, combat, or skirmish is to be fought unless it is won / has been won.
    But it hasn't been. If you want to use the present here (as you would in, say, 'Don't come unless you are wearing a red dress') you could say 'no battle, combat, or skirmish is to be fought unless it is one that can be won.' But the two cases are not the same.

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    Default Re: unless it will be won

    Hello all,

    unless - Definition from Longman English Dictionary Online

    Could you please check it? I have read that we can't use unless with will together. !! Do not use the future tense after unless
    • I won't go unless you go (NOT unless you will go).

    I have been confused about it. :/

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    Default Re: unless it will be won

    Quote Originally Posted by aysaa View Post
    Hello all,

    unless - Definition from Longman English Dictionary Online

    Could you please check it? I have read that we can't use unless with will together. !! Do not use the future tense after unless
    • I won't go unless you go (NOT unless you will go).

    I have been confused about it. :/
    In most contexts that's true but, as is so often the case, there are exceptions.

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    Default Re: unless it will be won

    Quote Originally Posted by aysaa View Post
    Do not use the future tense after 'unless'.
    There are two things wrong with this. bhaisahahab has pointed out the first - there are exceptions to this 'rule'. The second is that most serious writers on grammar do not consider that will + bare infinitive is a future tense. It is merely one of several ways of expressing the future.
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    Default Re: unless it will be won

    Thanks....I got it.

    Also, wr can use 'will' after 'if' in certain structures! If we are talking about future results rather than conditions, an if - will clause is used. So here is the first exception to the rule:

    If (you think) it will save our marriage, I'll try to give up drinking.

    If you will smoke twenty a day, it's not surprising you have a hacking cough.

    If your mother will fill in this form, I'll have her luggage taken up to her room

    "will" is not a future auxiliary; it means "are willing to" and that therefore it is not an exception to the rule that "if" cannot be used with "will"(future auxiliary).
    But:

    If it will rains tomorrow, the picnic will be cancelled.

    It is wrong... Is that right?
    Last edited by aysaa; 15-Feb-2012 at 19:17.

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    Default Re: unless it will be won

    Quote Originally Posted by aysaa View Post
    Thanks....I got it.

    Also, wr can use 'will' after 'if' in certain structures! If we are talking about future results rather than conditions, an if - will clause is used. So here is the first exception to the rule:

    If (you think) it will save our marriage, I'll try to give up drinking.

    If you will smoke twenty a day, it's not surprising you have a hacking cough.

    If your mother will fill in this form, I'll have her luggage taken up to her room

    "will" is not a future auxiliary; it means "are willing to" and that therefore it is not an exception to the rule that "if" cannot be used with "will"(future auxiliary).
    But:

    If it will rains tomorrow, the picnic will be cancelled.

    It is wrong... Is that right?
    "If it will rains tomorrow, the picnic will be cancelled." This is incorrect.

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    Default Re: unless it will be won

    Quote Originally Posted by aysaa View Post
    Also, where can use 'will' after 'if' in certain structures! ? If we are talking about future results rather than conditions, an if - will clause is used. So here is the first exception to the rule:

    If (you think) it will save our marriage, I'll try to give up drinking.

    If you will smoke twenty a day, it's not surprising you have a hacking cough. This is neither result nor willingness, but insistence/characteristic

    If your mother will fill in this form, I'll have her luggage taken up to her room

    "will" is not a future auxiliary; it means "are willing to" in the third example, and that therefore it is not an exception to the rule that "if" cannot be used with "will"(future auxiliary). If you have ever seen such a rule, it is not a very helpful one. It is better to say that we do not normally use 'will' to express certainty in a clause in which we are talking about possibility.

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    If it will rains tomorrow, the picnic will be cancelled.

    It is wrong... Is that right? Yes
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