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    open with passive voice

    Hi,

    Open: To move a door, window etc so that people, things, air etc can pass through, or to be moved in this way:

    The door has been opened by somebody.

    I just would like to ask whether we can use like that:

    -The door has opened by somebody.

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    #2

    Re: open with passive voice

    You can, but why would you not want the much more natural "Someone has opened the door"?
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: open with passive voice

    I know, but I just wanted to learn it.. Thanks for the answer...

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    #4

    Re: open with passive voice

    Quote Originally Posted by aysaa View Post
    The door has been opened by somebody.

    I just would like to ask whether we can use like that:

    -The door has opened by somebody.
    Your last example, in red, is not possible. It must be The door has been opened by somebody or The door was opened by somebody.
    Last edited by 5jj; 16-Feb-2012 at 11:39. Reason: format

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    Re: open with passive voice

    I'm so sorry. I just read the "been" as being there because I expected it to be. My apologies for my misleading answer.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    #6

    Re: open with passive voice

    1) The shop was opened at 10.00 am yesterday (by someone) (THAT'S OK)

    2) The shop opened at 10.00 am yesterday. (THAT'S OK)
    (This is a simple sentence in the past tense meaning the opening action was done in the past)

    I couldn't understand that because we can constuct both ABOVE. But we can't say 'The shop opened at 10.00 am yesterday by someone'. Why? The verb 'open' also has meaning 'become open'. For this reason I couldn't understand why we can't. :(
    Last edited by aysaa; 16-Feb-2012 at 13:42.

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    Re: open with passive voice

    Quote Originally Posted by aysaa View Post
    But we can't say 'The shop opened at 10.00 am yesterday by someone'. Why? The verb 'open' also has meaning 'become open'. For this reason I couldn't understand why we can't. :(
    Because the verb is active, so you can't put an agent as as you would with a passive construction. You can choose an active or a passive construction. you can't mix them.

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    Re: open with passive voice

    We can say:

    The mall opens five days a week.
    The shop opened at 10.00 am yesterday.
    This door opens with a special key.

    But we can't construct a sentence with passive voice like that:

    This door opens with a special key by a locksmith.
    The shop opened at 10.00 am yesterday by the owner.

    We have to use like that:

    The shop was opened from 8 a.m. to 11 p.m. yesterday by the owner.
    Last edited by aysaa; 16-Feb-2012 at 16:46.

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    Re: open with passive voice

    Quote Originally Posted by aysaa View Post
    The shop was opened from 8 a.m. to 11 p.m. yesterday by the owner.
    That is unnatural. It suggests that the opening of the door took the owner 15 hours.

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