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    Question Ulrich

    Hello :)

    How do you pronounce the "ch" in Ulrich?
    /k/ or /ch/ or /sh/?

    I'm referring to "Laurel Thatcher Ulrich", the author of this book:
    Amazon.com: Well-Behaved Women Seldom Make History (9781400041596): Laurel Thatcher Ulrich: Books


    Thank you.

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    Re: Ulrich

    In different parts of Germany there are several versions, but speakers of English use either /k/ or /x/.*

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    PS I'm using IPA symbols; I imagine you're not, although you use "/" as though you were. I guess your three options are /k/ /x/ and /ʃ/. The IPA has the symbol [c], but it has no part to play in English phonology.

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    Re: Ulrich

    Thank you BobK. I appreciate your quick reply.

    My guess was that /x/ is not pronounced in English. It is found in German, Russian, Arabic ...etc
    Will English speakers (who are not of German or French origins) say Ulrich with /x/ at the end like this?
    Pronunciation of ulrich - how to pronounce ulrich correctly.



    I'm aware of IPA symbols, but I did not have the symbols when I was writing the post, that's why I used ordinary letters between the / /.
    My options were:
    /k/
    /tʃ/
    /ʃ/


    Thanks.

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    Re: Ulrich

    Quote Originally Posted by Ducklet Cat View Post
    My guess was that /x/ is not pronounced in English. It is found in German, Russian, Arabic ...etc
    And in Scottish English.
    Will English speakers (who are not of German or French origins) say Ulrich with /x/ at the end like this?
    Pronunciation of ulrich - how to pronounce ulrich correctly.
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    I'm aware of IPA symbols, but I did not have the symbols when I was writing the post, that's why I used ordinary letters between the / /.
    If you are not using IPA symbols then it is better not to use the slashes for phonemes, as it will confuse people. You could write "How do you pronounce the 'ch' in 'Ulrich', as in 'ache', 'march' or 'Chicago'?
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    Re: Ulrich

    Thank you 5JJ.

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    Re: Ulrich

    I actually know someone with that name. (Now I wonder if they are related. Is it a common name?) She says it "ull-rick." Granted, it may have been Anglicized some generations ago.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: Ulrich

    Quote Originally Posted by Ducklet Cat View Post
    Thank you BobK. I appreciate your quick reply.

    My guess was that /x/ is not pronounced in English. It is found in German, Russian, Arabic ...etc
    Will English speakers (who are not of German or French origins) say Ulrich with /x/ at the end like this?
    Pronunciation of ulrich - how to pronounce ulrich correctly.



    I'm aware of IPA symbols, but I did not have the symbols when I was writing the post, that's why I used ordinary letters between the / /.
    My options were:
    /k/
    /tʃ/
    /ʃ/


    Thanks.
    We (speakers of BE) say 'Loch Lomond' and 'Bach's St John Passion', and most of us can manage a [x]. While it can be regarded as 'unBritish' to make too much of an effort to pronounce foreign phonemes, pronouncing Scottish or German ones is more acceptable than - say - pronouncing French ones!

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    Re: Ulrich

    That's nice.
    You made me think of how to pronounce the first vowel.
    I assumed it is pronounced as all-rick.
    But it seems to be pronounced as the u in umbrella, right?

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    Re: Ulrich

    I see, that's cool.
    I one noticed someone saying "ax" instead of "whoops", and I said to myself they do pronounce the /x/ unwittingly though in this case :)
    Well maybe because French does not have a separate sound for the /x/, it appears as a variant of the French r (Inverted R, but I don't have IPA chart now).
    AS when they say je vous en prie, they say it with a /x/ rather than a the usual r as in bonjour.

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