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    Red face Non-native speaker's accent (BE) - no download

    Hello everyone :)

    I'm new in this forum and without further ado, I'd like to ask professionals and native speakers to comment on this short recording.

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    Any advice for improvement?

    Thank you. :)
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    Now the link is in, thanks.

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    Default Re: Non-native speaker's accent (BE)

    Your pronunciation is excellent. Could you upload something where you're not reading- the problem with reading is that the intonation can be artificial because they're not your words- the reading's a bit bouncy at times (turning a page or two), but this isn't a problem with your speaking.

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    Thank you.

    You're right, the intonation sounds a bit strange at times. I also noticed that it's read a little too "breathy". Unfortunately, I have no "unread" recordings. Only another read example - which I find rather hilarious, though.

    Rate Accent & Pronunciation: Where does the speaker come from? - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crallballa View Post
    Thank you.

    You're right, the intonation sounds a bit strange at times. I also noticed that it's read a little too "breathy". Unfortunately, I have no "unread" recordings. Only another read example - which I find rather hilarious, though.

    Rate Accent & Pronunciation: Where does the speaker come from? - YouTube
    Excellent! (Incidentally, if you didn't write it, the writer has led you into making a slight mistake: at about 34" seconds you say /'faɪnəli:/ - an accurate reading of the printed word 'finally'. But , for sense, it should be 'finely' - pronounced, as I'm sure you know, /'faɪnli:/; an argument can be 'finely balanced' but not 'finally balanced'.)

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    Thanks for your comment

    But it is, in fact, "finally". Here is a 3 year old recording of the same text, showing the original excerpt in the background (which our professor gave us in class):

    Received Pronunciation "The Grand Design" - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crallballa View Post
    Thanks for your comment

    But it is, in fact, "finally". Here is a 3 year old recording of the same text, showing the original excerpt in the background (which our professor gave us in class):

    Received Pronunciation "The Grand Design" - YouTube
    I'm afraid 'finally' just doesn't work. The reader here is obviously reading from a text that has a typo in it, and because the text is so dense and complex they've lost track of the sense. It is, I suppose, just possible for the words 'finally' and 'balanced' to collocate (although BNC doesn't have an instance of it): you could say 'the argument is good, comprensive, and - finally - balanced'. But in your context the criticism is generally negative: 'Go away and do it again'; so this sort of collocation is ruled out.

    On the other hand, 'finely balanced' is the third most common collocation of this sort:
    1 FINELY CHOPPED 72
    2 FINELY TUNED 44
    3 FINELY BALANCED 25
    4 FINELY SLICED 19
    5 FINELY PROPORTIONED 12
    6 FINELY GROUND 9
    7 FINELY DICED 9
    8 FINELY HONED 9
    9 FINELY KNOTTED 8
    10 FINELY GRATED 8
    ... [BK: there are well over 1000 in all.]
    See more here: British National Corpus (BYU-BNC), using the search-string finely [*v]


    PS Two words you might want to look up (and - p o s s i b l y use) are sesquipedalian and grandiloquent!
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    Default Re: Non-native speaker's accent (BE)

    Wow, thanks for your elaborate post.

    Ha, so our meticulously precise phonetics professor made a typo!

    By the way: Would you say there is a general improvement, or merely a shift from "Kiwi-influenced" to "more British" between these two versions?

    Received Pronunciation "The Grand Design" - YouTube (2008)

    RP (Received Pronunciation) or not? - YouTube (2012)

    Thank you. And yes, I'll look up those words!

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    I wouldn't say there was 'an improvement', as neither is RP. The first, as you say, is Kiwi-influenced. The vowel sounds in the second sounds to me as if there is a Northern influence (in, e.g. 'really an excellent plan', 'some of the doubts', 'in practice') - in fact it sounds a bit like a friend of mine from Shrewsbury (not that Northern. but definitely not Southern).

    I initially put it at Yorkshire or Lancashire, but the second syllable of 'propose' does not have the pure [o] sound I'd excpect there. It seems to use [ǝʊ] (perhaps tending towards a triphthong, starting with something closer and less central - [e] perhaps. (I hung up my narrow transcription gloves many years ago, so this is the best I can do. ). This [eǝʊ] sound is what made me think of my Shrewsbury friend - it's the sort of accent she'd put on at a vicar's tea-party (consciously correct).


    So if when you say 'improved' you mean 'less unBritish' then the second one is that, to my ear.

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