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    Quote Originally Posted by light87 View Post
    Hi all teachers ,thank you for your help,so what is the rule to know that you must pronounce /ʒ instead of /ʃ/.

    Thank you
    Since you are a computer science masters, you can use these sites to devise patterns of pronunciations. It requires a bit of regular expressions.

    OneLook Dictionary Search
    Regex Dictionary by Lou Hevly

    Read help on those sites for how to do searches.

    -rsion /ʒ/
    -lsion /ʃ/
    -nsion /ʃ/
    -Vsion /ʒ/, where V is a vowel
    -ssion /ʃ/

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    Hi all teachers thank you for your help.
    Please you said "where V is a vowel",but I know that v is consonant.
    Can you give an example of that.
    Thank you

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    Default Re: the word excursion

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    There's no rule. If you're American, as JohnAnderson says, you use /ʒ/. If you're a non-American native English speaker you use /ʃ/. If you are neither, you get a choice.
    ...with the word excursion.

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    Default Re: the word excursion

    Quote Originally Posted by light87 View Post
    Hi all teachers thank you for your help.
    Please you said "where V is a vowel",but I know that v is consonant.
    Can you give an example of that.
    Thank you
    You know, man, you are testing peoples' patience here. Why you want to learn pronunciation, phonetics, and phonology, when you better focus on how to read and write English.

    -Vsion = -ision, -esion, -asion, -osion, -usion

    That's way of representing things in simple way by saying "where V is a vowel".

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    Default Re: the word excursion

    Quote Originally Posted by raindoctor View Post
    You know, man, you are testing people's patience here. Why do you want to learn pronunciation, phonetics, and phonology, when you'd better focus on how to read and write English?

    -Vsion = -ision, -esion, -asion, -osion, -usion

    That's one way of representing things in a simple way by saying "where V is a vowel".
    Please see my corrections above.

    I really don't see why light87 shouldn't study pronunciation, phonetics or phonology. It seems a fine thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    If you are asking why a certain dictionary writes /ʃ/ but has a sound file that says /ʒ/, then it's probably because different people do the voice recordings and the IPA transcription. That doesn't excuse it, but it could explain it.
    I've found similar differences between transcription and sound file - too may to count. In this case, /ʒ/ is the phoneme regularly used in Am Eng, but it is also used by some native speakers of Br Eng. 'Excursion'. in RP has /ʃ/.

    But some words do have /ʒ/ - elision, circumcision, television, lesion, cohesion, erosion... I'll try to work out the pattern (unless someone else has done already )

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    Please see my corrections above.

    I really don't see why light87 shouldn't study pronunciation, phonetics or phonology. It seems a fine thing to do.
    Thanks for you corrections! Look at 'is question: "
    where V is a vowel",but I know that v is consonant.".

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