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    the I in ING ( making, studying, etc )

    Dear all native speakers

    I am confused with this video
    How to Pronounce the I in ING: American English - YouTube

    Do you have any comments as a teacher and or native speaker ?

    Many thanks

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    Re: the I in ING ( making, studying, etc )

    She transcribes ween, and she may well mean wean instead as it's an obscure and archaic word, as /win/, but the IPA for the long vowel sound is different anyway: /wi:n/

    Definition of ween | Collins English Dictionary

    Others use different transcription, but give it as a long sound:
    Ween - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    I am not an AmE speaker, but I have doubts about this.

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    Re: the I in ING ( making, studying, etc )

    Pre-nasal tensing and pre-velar tensing are common in AmE. Even the pronunciation of the word "English" reflects velar-tensing; in this sense, it is a historical process.

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    Re: the I in ING ( making, studying, etc )

    Dear Raindoctor and Tdol,

    So do you agree with her advice that it is okay/ correct to say ING in word "making, running with long i ?

    Many thanks

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    Re: the I in ING ( making, studying, etc )

    Quote Originally Posted by duiter View Post
    Dear Raindoctor and Tdol,

    So do you agree with her advice that it is okay/ correct to say ING in word "making, running with long i ?

    Many thanks
    Yes for American dialects.

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    Re: the I in ING ( making, studying, etc )

    Would someone from UK, Australia, NZ answer or give a comment on my question please ?

    Many thanks

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    Re: the I in ING ( making, studying, etc )

    I wouldn't call it that.

    Quote Originally Posted by duiter View Post
    Dear Raindoctor and Tdol,

    So do you agree with her advice that it is okay/ correct to say ING in word "making, running with long i ?

    Many thanks

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    Re: the I in ING ( making, studying, etc )

    Quote Originally Posted by raindoctor View Post
    Yes for American dialects.
    I'd say no. I can't say for sure but what believe I hear is either /ɪ/ or /i/, not /i:/.

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    Re: the I in ING ( making, studying, etc )

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    She transcribes ween, and she may well mean wean instead as it's an obscure and archaic word, as /win/, but the IPA for the long vowel sound is different anyway: /wi:n/

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    I am not an AmE speaker, but I have doubts about this.
    Another possibility, even older than 'wean' (which I wouldn't call archaic exactly - as it's still used by specialists [and pig-farmers ), is 'ween' - which really is archaic (Online Etymology Dictionary). It's very rarely used on its own, but has left a fossil trace in the word 'overweening' - Online Etymology Dictionary.

    Also, the OP may be confused by your 'the IPA for the long vowel sound is different anyway: /wi:n/' (and I suspect some American academics are raising an eyebrow ). The phonemic transcription for the Br Eng using the symbols of the IPA is /wi:n/; I believe, though this isn't my area of expertise, the transcription of the Am Eng is /win/.

    I'm not sure, though, that this issue is really a problem for students, as Rachel believes. My feeling is that if you get the phonemes right, the allophones will take care of themselves (or leave negligible acoustic traces).

    b

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