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    Default Bales's read as /beilziz/?

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    The assault case was dismissed and didn't involve any members of Sgt. Bales's family, Mr. Browne said Friday.

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    Default Re: Bales's read as /beilziz/?

    It can be read like that, though many would drop the -iz despite the way it's written.

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    Default Re: Bales's read as /beilziz/?

    If I read that aloud, what you would hear would be "did not involve any members of Sergeant Bales family".

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    Default Re: Bales's read as /beilziz/?

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    If I read that aloud, what you would hear would be "did not involve any members of Sergeant Bales family".
    If I read it aloud, it would be the same.

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    Default Re: Bales's read as /beilziz/?

    If you pronounce it as "Sergeant Bales Family" how do you know his name is Bales and not Bale? They are both common surnames. I would always pronounce Bales's as /beilziz/

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    Default Re: Bales's read as /beilziz/?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tullia View Post
    If I read it aloud, it would be the same.
    I agree.

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    Default Re: Bales's read as /beilziz/?

    In speech, citation forms are usually heard when they are pitch accented or emphasized. In which case, yes, apply the standard formula (sibilant +'s = sibilant + i + s/z). Besides this, there is another phenomenon, which kinda elides the similar looking syllable.

    career center >cur center (check Language Log Why it can be hard to wreck a nice beach )
    social security > so' security (as heard in the financial media)
    absolutely right > absly right
    Bales's family > Bales family

    One can ask "how to distinguish social security from campus security, career center from computer center, Bale's family from Bales's family". You don't need to emphasize these words, if the audience can figure out--this is an easy way of describing. There are books that deal with emphasis, focus (both broad and narrow), and accent. Just because some accent reduction course or ESL book does not describe these phenomena, it doesn't mean that such phenomena do not exist.
    Last edited by raindoctor; 24-Apr-2012 at 22:34.

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    Default Re: Bales's read as /beilziz/?

    Would you ever pronounce the /iz/ - for example, in "that's James's jacket" or "Kate Moss's husband"? James jacket or Kate Moss husband sound like Tarzan-speak to me! Is it a Brit/US thing?

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    Default Re: Bales's read as /beilziz/?

    I always pronounce the /ɪz/.

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