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    Default Re: Is the word plenty pronounced like "plendi" in AmE?

    5jj! look how t is pronounced here at learnersdictionary dot com
    I used "d" as an approach and I know that these are different from each other.
    Do you mean
    ˈpleni
    is correct? (t̬ sound exactly like the sound of t in particle at learnersdictionary dot com)

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    Default Re: Is the word plenty pronounced like "plendi" in AmE?

    Quote Originally Posted by royal999 View Post
    5jj! look how t is pronounced here at learnersdictionary dot com
    I used "d" as an approach and I know that these are different from each other.
    Do you meanˈpleni is correct? (t̬ sound exactly like the sound of t in particle at learnersdictionary dot com)
    You have to be careful which symbols you are talkng about. learnersdictionary.com uses /t/ for both particle and plenty; LPD also uses the same symbol for both words, though it uses //.

    When I listen to the words at learnersdictionary.com, I hear an unvoiced plosive in plenty and a voiced tap in particle. However, my ear is not particularly good these days, and I no longer have access to a spectogram.

    Unfortunately, my LPD CD is not working, so I cannot check on the words Wells was transcribing. Interestingly, the Cambridge English Pronouncing Dictionary agrees with Wells' LPD. That's all I can really say on the subject, I am afraid. As I am not a speaker of AmE, and have not studied AmE pronunciation in any depth, I am not qualified to say what the actual pronunciation of the word is for most Americans. My experience of working with Americans suggests that the LPD and the Cambridge EPD transcriptions are right, for some Americans at least, but that experience is very limited.
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    Default Re: Is the word plenty pronounced like "plendi" in AmE?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    Not a speaker of AmE

    The LPD uses the symbol for the alveolar tap, usually voiced, for plenty and twenty, not /d/, the voiced alveolar (sometimes dental). plosive. Could it be that in General American, the variety that the LPD records, the consonant we are talking about is more dental/voiced than the /t/ of, for example, tea - assuming it is not omitted altogether?
    I'm inclined to think this is what the OP had in mind. The alveolar tap is generally voiced in English, no matter which of the phonemes /t/ and /d/ it realizes. However, I think if "twendy" were a word, it wouldn't be pronounced with a tap, as "Wendy" isn't (I believe).

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    Default Re: Is the word plenty pronounced like "plendi" in AmE?

    It seems be to this simple question is getting overcomplicated.
    Take the word plenty.
    look it up in learnersdictionary dot com and listen to the sample voice.
    the T in plenty should sound either similar to one of these:

    1- t as in part, as in track, etc.

    2- Alveolar flap as the sample voice in Wikipedia article "Alveolar flap" that Wikipedia detects it as R, but some say similar (not identical) to D, (maybe both are almost the same) as the sample voice of the word letter in learnersdictionary dot com, however learnersdictionary dot com for entries like party, somewhat ignores this for the sample voice of party.

    Which do you detect?

    I don't care about not pronouncing T as: /ˈpleni/

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