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    #11

    Re: having had a "mystical" experience

    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    My problem is that "report" is actually in a present tense in this sentence.
    Yes, but it fits with "say" and "feeling" in other parts of the piece.

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    #12

    Re: having had a "mystical" experience

    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    My problem is that "report" is actually in a present tense in this sentence.
    Yes, I didn't label "having had" as being either present or past perfect. I'm not sure what that construction is properly called.
    (In post #2, Barb made the comparisons to past perfect, by introducing "I recall ..." etc.

    But it can't be "having have" because both the present and past perfect tense require the past participle. I suspect it's still present perfect.
    "Peter has had a good dinner." (Present perfect)
    "Peter, having had a good dinner, watched TV" (Present perfect continuous?) If that is the case, the past perfect tense is not used at all in the original sentence, and is a red herring.
    Maybe philo, or some other grammarian could elucidate.

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    #13

    Re: having had a "mystical" experience

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    In addition, about 40 percent report having had a "mystical" experience such as seeing the universe as alive and feeling a sense of great peace and safety within that aliveness...
    The words actually spoken would have been: "I have had a mystical experience".

    We can report this as:
    1. 40% report that thay have had ...
    2. 40 % reported that they have had ...
    3.40% reported that they had had ,,,


    #2 is possible only if the reported situation is still true.

    If we wish to use a pefct participle constructons then the possible forms are:

    1. 40% report having had ...
    2 & 3. 40% reported having had.
    ..

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    #14

    Re: having had a "mystical" experience

    I've always explained to others that "having+p.p" doesn't have any absolute tense, and it's only relative tense that is one tense prior to the tense of the main verb. "Relative tense" seems to be the proper term for "having+p.p", "to have p.p" in my opinion.

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