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    Hello,

    I would like to ask 2 questions.

    1)Can we omit 'that' when using this style?

    I will fix your car on condition you wash mine.

    2) When you are talking about the future, we do not use will after unless/as long as/ provided/ providing/ so long as/ whereas. (In the main clause)


    Can we include 'on condition that and suppose/supposing that' also?

    On condition that I will..........
    Suppose that I will............

    Thanks....

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    Default Re: omit 'that'

    Quote Originally Posted by aysaa View Post
    Hello,

    I would like to ask 2 questions.



    They appear to be unrelated, so please ask the second question in a separate thread.

    1)Can we omit 'that' when using this style?

    I will fix your car on condition you wash mine. Yes.

    Rover
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    Default Re: omit 'that'

    To me it doesn't sound right.

    I think it'd sound better if you said, On the condition you wash mine.

    More less substituting a word for a word.

    I think saying "on condition you wash mine" is too much of an open statement.

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    Default Re: omit 'that'

    Quote Originally Posted by HanibalII View Post
    I think it'd sound better if you said, On the condition you wash mine.
    I see no reason to add 'the'. 'On condition (that)' is perfectly natural English.

    I think saying "on condition you wash mine" is too much of an open statement.
    I don't know what you mean by that, I'm afraid.
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    Default Re: omit 'that'

    Yeah, it was a little vague...By open statement, I meant further interpretation. "On Condition" could be interpreted in a few different ways, but "On the condition" implies a pre determined condition accepted. I feel it fits better than on "That condition" as it also feels a bit like an open statement...I'm probably just rambling though....

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    Quote Originally Posted by HanibalII View Post
    I'm probably just rambling though....
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    Default Re: omit 'that'

    Quote Originally Posted by HanibalII View Post
    Yeah, it was a little vague...By open statement, I meant further interpretation. "On Condition" could be interpreted in a few different ways, but "On the condition" implies a pre determined condition accepted. I feel it fits better than on "That condition" as it also feels a bit like an open statement...I'm probably just rambling though....
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    Default Re: omit 'that'

    I also find "on condition" to be strange. I would say "...on the condition that you..." Perhaps it's different over here.

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    Default Re: omit 'that'

    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    I also find "on condition" to be strange. I would say "...on the condition that you..." Perhaps it's different over here.
    It would seem so. COCA (AmE) has 162 citations without 'the' and 288 with it. The smaller BNC (BrE) has 180 citations without 'the' and only 38 with it.
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