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    In using relative clause,sometimes I see that the relative pronouns "Which" and

    In using relative clause,sometimes I see that the relative pronouns "Which" and "Where" are used similarly. I show here an examlpe:
    "The vilage is not far from here. I has many beautiful views"
    I wrote it into:
    1. The village Which has many beautiful views is not far from here
    2. The village Where has many beautiful views is not far from here
    I think the second one is not very correct.
    So when should we use "Which"? When should we use "Where"?
    ("The village" is understood as a position or a item?)
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    Re: In using relative clause,sometimes I see that the relative pronouns "Which" and

    'Where' is used with the idea of 'in/at which'.

    Meonstoke is the village where I grew up
    Meonstoke is the village (which) I grew up in.

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    Re: In using relative clause,sometimes I see that the relative pronouns "Which" and

    The only complaint that I would have with the example given is that 'which I grew up in' is restrictive. Stating 'Meonstoke is the village' is incomplete without the clause, so 'that' should be used in place of 'which': 'Meonstoke is the village that I grew up in.'

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    Re: In using relative clause,sometimes I see that the relative pronouns "Which" and

    Quote Originally Posted by William Jones View Post
    The only complaint that I would have with the example given is that 'which I grew up in' is restrictive. Stating 'Meonstoke is the village' is incomplete without the clause, so 'that' should be used in place of 'which': 'Meonstoke is the village that I grew up in.'
    In British English, 'which' is fine.

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    Re: In using relative clause,sometimes I see that the relative pronouns "Which" and

    Truly? I knew that in some writing, generally biblical, it isn't uncommon for 'which' to be used in place of 'that' for prosody, but I didn't know that they were equivalent in British English.

    I appreciate the information.

    J. Jones

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    Re: In using relative clause,sometimes I see that the relative pronouns "Which" and

    I don't know enough about American English to make sweeping statements, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the 'rule' about using 'that' instead of 'which' in restrictive/defining relative clauses was invented by the sort of writer who abhors split infinitives and thinks that a preposition is something you can't end a sentence with.

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    Re: In using relative clause,sometimes I see that the relative pronouns "Which" and

    Indeed. Probably one of those batty Latinists.

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    Re: In using relative clause,sometimes I see that the relative pronouns "Which" and

    I like my "thats" restrictive and my "whiches" unrestrictive, and I am happy to boldy go forth, and you'd be a guy I'd be happy to go with.

    Was it EVER the rule? Because I really do find using "which" for a restrictive clause grating. So either some teacher taught me something that was overly prescripting and not really correct way back when, or it's another one of those regional things.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: In using relative clause,sometimes I see that the relative pronouns "Which" and

    Quote Originally Posted by William Jones View Post
    Indeed. Probably one of those batty Latinists.
    Batty as in "crazy" or "blind"?
    Please note that I'm not a teacher.

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    Re: In using relative clause,sometimes I see that the relative pronouns "Which" and

    Well, Strunk and White's The Elements of Style certainly list it as a rule, and that's one of the most well respected guides for writers in America. And Fowler states in his A Dictionary of Modern English Usage that "The kinds of relative clause, to one of which that & to the other of which which is appropriate, are the defining & the non-defining; & if writers would agree to regard that as the defining relative pronoun & which as the non-defining, there would be much gain both in lucidity & in ease." He does also mention that this problem is more common in the English of England than in American English. American English tends to ascribe a learnedness to the use of which and a colloquial quality to that​.
    Last edited by William Jones; 23-May-2012 at 00:22. Reason: left off an s; hurrah!

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