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    Quote Originally Posted by CarloSsS View Post
    As far as song lyrics are concerned, sort of everything goes and the authors of them often do not bother with correct grammar or meaningful phrases.
    I can tell that this one, which is the original translation, doesn't work:

    it is us that everyone expects us to have the mission won.

    But this one seems to work, at least from a grammatical point of view.

    it is us that everyone expects to have the mission won.


    I'm wondering why it still wouldn't work either.
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    but dogs are faithful to their dinner- it's a mess.
    The original Japanese version, of which he made a translation into English, is beautifully written. I can tell you that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taka View Post
    But this one seems to work, at least from a grammatical point of view.

    it is us that everyone expects to have the mission won.
    Three native speakers, all of them experienced teachers, have told you that it does not work. Continuing to post it will not change that.
    Last edited by 5jj; 09-Jun-2012 at 18:24. Reason: typo

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    Then, let me ask this way.

    Why wouldn't it work as a cleft sentence like these? What is the difference?

    It was George who/that arrived first at the meeting.
    It was English that George studied at Oxford.
    It's you that I need.


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    It is us (though some would argue "we" is better) that (though some might argue "who") everyone expects to win.

    Everyone expects that we will win.
    Eveyone expects us to win.
    It is we who are are expected (by everyone) to win.
    It is we/us expected to have won by now.

    Those all work, more or less. The original simply did not.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    '... to have the mission won' is the main problem. I really have no idea what it is supposed to mean. Even if we try something new: It is us that everyone expects to win the mission, which looks better grammatically, I still don't know what it is supposed to mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    '... to have the mission won' is the main problem.
    AH! That part! I didn't pay much attention to it. You're right. It doesn't really make sense.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taka View Post
    AH! That part! I didn't pay much attention to it. You're right. It doesn't really make sense.

    Thanks!
    Phew.

    Can you try now some alternative versions in English? Don't worry too much about their grammatical accuracy - we can deal with that. Just try to get across the message you would like to convey.

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    Visit here and read the article under the title 'Production run. Space Battleship Yamato', if you have time.

    Space Battleship Yamato - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You can get the idea what mission they have.

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