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    Red face Article 'the' is omitted before 'floor'?

    I'm confused after hearing the rule Article 'the' is omitted before 'floor'.
    Therefore it's not 'on the second floor', but 'on second floor'.
    As far as I know, the is necessary before all ordinal numbers.
    Help me out with the right answer. Thanks~
    Last edited by finwing; 28-Jun-2012 at 17:50.

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    Default Re: Article 'the' is omitted before 'floor'?

    Quote Originally Posted by finwing View Post
    I'm confused after being heard the rule 'Article 'the' is omitted before 'floor'.
    Therefore it's not 'on the second floor', but 'on second floor'.
    As far as I know, the is necessary before all ordinal numbers.
    Help me out with the right answer. Thanks~
    Where did you find that "rule"?

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    Default Re: Article 'the' is omitted before 'floor'?

    We do use on the second floor.

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    Default Re: Article 'the' is omitted before 'floor'?

    Quote Originally Posted by finwing View Post
    I'm confused after being told the rule that the article 'the' is omitted before 'floor'.
    Or: After hearing the rule.


    But not: after being heard.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Default Re: Article 'the' is omitted before 'floor'?

    Thanks for correcting(I edited that)
    With your replies, now I know I wasn't wrong.
    And in speaking, is 'on second floor' commonly used as well?
    Since all the native(all American) E speakers around me answered without 'the' is right, I hope to get more explanation.
    Sorry for keeping bothering you, but I'm begging, please.
    Last edited by finwing; 28-Jun-2012 at 17:56.

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    Default Re: Article 'the' is omitted before 'floor'?

    Quote Originally Posted by finwing View Post
    Thanks for correcting(I edited that)
    With your replies, now I know I wasn't wrong.
    And in speaking, is 'on second floor' commonly used as well?
    Since all the native(all American) E speakers around me answered without 'the' is right, I hope to get more explanation.
    Sorry for keeping bothering you, but I'm begging, please.
    "My flat/apartment is on the second floor." Correct.
    "My flat/apartment is on second floor." Incorrect.

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    Default Re: Article 'the' is omitted before 'floor'?

    I have an apartment on the second floor.
    I have a second-floor apartment.
    The second floor is above the first floor and under the third floor.
    I need an elevator which takes me to the eighteenth floor.
    Third-floor apartments are much nicer than second-floor apartments.
    The second-floor apartment where I used to live is now owned by Barack Obama.

    As you can see from my sentences above, when "second floor" is used as a noun, it requires the article. I cannot come up with an example where the article can be omitted. When "second-floor" is used as an adjective before a noun, then the definite article is not absolute necessary. It depends on context.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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    Default Re: Article 'the' is omitted before 'floor'?

    It's a second-floor flat = it's one of a number of flats on the floor

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    Default Re: Article 'the' is omitted before 'floor'?

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    I have an apartment on the second floor.
    I have a second-floor apartment.
    The second floor is above the first floor and under the third floor.
    I need an elevator which takes me to the eighteenth floor.
    Third-floor apartments are much nicer than second-floor apartments.
    The second-floor apartment where I used to live is now owned by Barack Obama.

    As you can see from my sentences above, when "second floor" is used as a noun, it requires the article. I cannot come up with an example where the article can be omitted. When "second-floor" is used as an adjective before a noun, then the definite article is not absolute necessary. It depends on context.
    I agree with you.
    Thanks a lot

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    Default Re: Article 'the' is omitted before 'floor'?

    Quote Originally Posted by finwing View Post
    As far as I know, 'the' is necessary before all ordinal numbers.
    I thought that at first, but on second thoughts I changed my mind.

    Rover

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