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    Default Current troll problem

    I wonder if I may make a suggestion. We seem to have a plethora of trolls at the moment and lots of posts which are being closed with the message "Clone of a banned user".

    Is it possible for anyone new who signs up to the site to have to wait perhaps 24 to 48 hours before they can actually post anything? Once they register, but before they submit their first post, their online ID could be checked by a moderator/admin (sorry, I'm not clear who does this) and then if it's a clone of a banned user, then they could be barred without ever having managed to post and waste our time. If they're found not to be a troll, they would receive an email confirming that their registration has been accepted and they can now post.

    Whilst I realise that it might be a little annoying for genuine new users who would like to post immediately and get a quick answer, I would like to think that if they genuinely wish to use the site in the long-term for its intended purpose, then they would probably be prepared to wait.

    Apologies if this has been suggested and considered before but isn't possible.

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    Default Re: Current troll problem

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    I wonder if I may make a suggestion. We seem to have a plethora of trolls at the moment and lots of posts which are being closed with the message "Clone of a banned user".

    Is it possible for anyone new who signs up to the site to have to wait perhaps 24 to 48 hours before they can actually post anything? Once they register, but before they submit their first post, their online ID could be checked by a moderator/admin (sorry, I'm not clear who does this) and then if it's a clone of a banned user, then they could be barred without ever having managed to post and waste our time. If they're found not to be a troll, they would receive an email confirming that their registration has been accepted and they can now post.

    Whilst I realise that it might be a little annoying for genuine new users who would like to post immediately and get a quick answer, I would like to think that if they genuinely wish to use the site in the long-term for its intended purpose, then they would probably be prepared to wait.

    Apologies if this has been suggested and considered before but isn't possible.

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    I would be very reluctant to do that, ems. I think it's important that we are able to offer help/answers to problems with the minimum of difficulty for the new members. If that means that we have to be very vigilant, I think it's a price worth paying.

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    Default Re: Current troll problem

    Many of the people joining don't speak much English and might find it confusing and go away, not understanding why they couldn't post and not come back. And if we did, the troll would find a way around it. I am sorry about this very persistent troll.

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    Default Re: Current troll problem

    Fair enough! Thanks for the responses. Vigilance at an all time high!
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    Default Re: Current troll problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    Many of the people joining don't speak much English and might find it confusing and go away, not understanding why they couldn't post and not come back.
    I agree with you. Before I joined this forum, I used to search on internet looking for websites where I can ask questions( exactly like this). I found websites but I would not get a reply even for months for simple questions. So, I lost hope of those kind of websites, then, I found this websites. I didn't know it was different from others. So, I just started posting questions without any hope but surprisingly I got replies very quickly. Then, I realized that it was entirely different from those websites. Had I not been allowed to post the question after registration I am sure I would have not visited this website again(because of my experience with other websites). I can say that many students will mostly be like me.


    I have a couple of doubts about clone members 1) How do you find one is a clone of banned member? because I don't see anything wrong in the threads they post. 2) why a thread should be closed just merely because it is opened by clone of banned user until it's content is not against the forum rules? because I see some good threads are closed which would be very helpful for other genuine members.

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    Default Re: Current troll problem

    This troll attracts attention and is fairly easy to spot. The threads posted now may seem OK, but they were banned for posting pornographic images and racism. However, they are also posting the same thing repeatedly now to annoy people. A question may seem OK,but less so when it is posted 12 times

    If you want something opened that has been closed, let us know.

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    One solution might be to give Key and VIP members the ability to act as an emergency moderator -- not for 'normal' moderating, but to provisionally delete or render invisible posts which are outright obscene on the face of them.

    As a counter-example, I've been on this forum for a few years now, and am generally known and moderately trusted, but the system stopped me from even reporting a third obscene post, after doing so for 2.

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    Default Re: Current troll problem

    Hi
    Today I was really shocked and was about to puke when I saw some thread lines that had used just rubbish to denote its evil mind. Above all, it had just focused on poor 5jj, who I'm really grateful to for his kindness in helping us. I see all the members I've been in touch through the forum as part of my family and I can't see any j**k to insult them.
    I wish dear moderators or webmasters and editor (sorry as ems mentioned I don't really know who does it) could do something to get rid of all these nasty trolls.
    Thanks a million.
    Being a non-native teacher, I'm so thrilled being in such a superb forum.

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    Default Re: Current troll problem

    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    One solution might be to give Key and VIP members the ability to act as an emergency moderator -- not for 'normal' moderating, but to provisionally delete or render invisible posts which are outright obscene on the face of them.
    More than moderately trusted!

    It's not my decision, but I would be in favour of such an idea - if it might not lead to more problems, technically. I know nothing about how the technical side of the site works (Red 5 is the expert), but it does seem that it's not easy to make a minor adjustment to systems without causing other things to go wrong. I am sure the administrators will consider your idea; thanks for the suggestion/offer.

    With the geographical spread and working hours of current moderator team, it's pretty rare for a blatantly offensive post to be around for long. And who knows? - this troll might grow up or get bored soon. (Yes, and pigs might fly.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonlike View Post
    I wish dear moderators or webmasters and editor (sorry as ems mentioned I don't really know who does it) could do something to get rid of all these nasty trolls.
    They are unfortunately a fact of life in internet forums, like cockroaches in some parts of the world. Just try to ignore them; we usually get rid of their pathetic posts before long. As I have said elsewhere, most of the time I feel sorry for them. Just imagine what sad lives they must have if they get their kicks out of posting that sort of puerile wannabe porn.

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