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    Question puzzled by "fail in the abdomen"

    Hi,

    I need help with those two sentences. Could someone please explain the meaning of the underlined phrase? None of the definitions of "fail" seem to work for me in this case :(


    Clear-cell tumors do not seem to have a high propensity to fail in the abdomen.

    The recognition that a significant number of patients with stage III disease fail in the abdomen has prompted a number of investigators to evaluate a whole abdominal radiotherapy in those patients.

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    Default Re: puzzled by "fail in the abdomen"

    Quote Originally Posted by jackandjill View Post
    Hi,

    I need help with those two sentences. Could someone please explain the meaning of the underlined phrase? None of the definitions of "fail" seem to work for me in this case :(


    Clear-cell tumors do not seem to have a high propensity to fail in the abdomen.

    The recognition that a significant number of patients with stage III disease fail in the abdomen has prompted a number of investigators to evaluate a whole abdominal radiotherapy in those patients.

    Thanks
    I've never heard of diseases 'failing'. If this is taken from a website, could you post the URL?

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    Default Re: puzzled by "fail in the abdomen"

    Could it be a typo for 'faLl', in the sense 'happen/occur'?

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    Default Re: puzzled by "fail in the abdomen"

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Could it be a typo for 'faLl', in the sense 'happen/occur'?

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    It's still not common usage.
    One of uses of "fall" that does occur in research papers is in describing graphs or plots. If the occurrence of these tumours in, say, 1,000 patients are plotted onto a diagram of the body, most of the dots could "fall in the abdomen".
    But the original sentences are still pretty weird. The first has the tumours failing/falling in the abdomen at a lesser rate, and the second has the patients failing/falling in the abdomen at a greater rate.

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    Default Re: puzzled by "fail in the abdomen"

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I've never heard of diseases 'failing'. If this is taken from a website, could you post the URL?
    Here you are:

    books.google.com/books?id=KW9esgo759EC&pg=PA849&lpg=PA849&dq="fail+ in+the+abdomen"&source=bl&ots=SJRqd9yw8h&sig=zkaxf PBBjIknHQYV2RF9KmQrNf0&hl=pl&sa=X&ei=Zp4SUNnjC8n2s gaHlIDQCA&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22fail%20in%20t he%20abdomen%22&f=false

    radonc.ucsd.edu/research/publications/Documents/Gynecology_Paper18.pdf page 1275 last paragraph

    Here's another one I've found:

    books.google.com/books?id=l8Dm3f1rVYUC&pg=PA331&lpg=PA331&dq="fail+ in+the+abdomen"&source=bl&ots=GXS5X1jk2q&sig=zCHIw YpxlCOaSN0C7zHiH3PspK4&hl=pl&sa=X&ei=Zp4SUNnjC8n2s gaHlIDQCA&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=%22fail%20in %20the%20abdomen%22&f=false



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    Default Re: puzzled by "fail in the abdomen"

    I could find only 3 instances of "fail in the abdomen" on a Google search. (4 with your query).
    They are all about this tumour in Gynecology.
    One also reads ... "Literature data on the pattern of failures and the optimal treatment modalities of the clear cell carcinoma ..." Gadducci A, Cosio S, Spirito N, Cionini L.(University of Pisa, Pisa, Italy.)
    It's possibly a term invented by the Italians but it's also been used by at least two others. But it's quite wrong as conventional English (even as conventional medical English).

    The context suggests that it's the treatment that has failed (in the abdomen), not the tumour or the patient.

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