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    I believe that in a linguistic forum all words should be spelled out if they are being discussed, even the derogatory epithet for a black-skinned person. But it's probably best to defer to the moderators. :)

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    #12

    Re: pilked-down p***e

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    I don't remember that episode! Mind you, when it was actually being shown for the first time in the UK, very few people had a problem with that word so I probably didn't bat an eyelid at it. It would, no doubt, be bleeped out (or dubbed over with a different word) if the episode were shown on TV these days.
    I have found an interesting article on this episode.

    Forget the war Basil, just don’t mention Indian cricketers | UK News | Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express

    The joke is clearly at the expense of the xenophobic Fawlty and Major *Gowen, played by Ballard Berkerley, *using terms that were outdated if not unacceptable even 30 years ago.

    It still leaves the Beeb with a problem, however, when it comes to screening the episode because of the risque dialogue – at least in Britain.
    For several years the episode has remained in the can in the BBC vaults while still being broadcast in its original form around the world, as recently as two weeks ago in New Zealand.

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    #13

    Re: pilked-down p***e

    Quote Originally Posted by abaka View Post
    I believe that in a linguistic forum all words should be spelled out if they are being discussed, even the derogatory epithet for a black-skinned person. But it's probably best to defer to the moderators. :)
    I would agree with you if we were discussing the etymology, semantics, connotations, etc of these words in the Linguistics forum. (I seem to recall that I put forward a similar thought in my early days in the forum.)

    However, this forum is intended to help learners and teachers of English of all ages and beliefs from all over the world. To very many people, certain words are very unpleasant. The sight of them in print is shocking beyond belief. Whatever some people might think privately of this, people who feel like this should not be deterred from visiting a forum on language for fear of being shocked. There are limits, of course - if they are shocked by the sight of such alternatives as 'the F-word' or 'f*ck' when there is genuine discussion of the use of such words, then that's just bad luck. I think it's worth putting up with an asterisk or two to keep the forum as accessible to as many people as possible.

    ps. If you want to discuss this further, then this forum is not the place. If you are prepared to tolerate the asterisks, Then the General Language Discussions is is probably the best forum. If the asterisks offend you, then I suppose the Linguistics forum is the place for it. To start a discussion, please open the thread with a title such as 'Discussion of taboo words' to give a warning to those who might be offended - they can simply keep out.
    Last edited by 5jj; 31-Jul-2012 at 16:24. Reason: typo

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    #14

    Re: pilked-down p***e

    I'm in favor of the asterisks. I'm not shocked beyond belief, but I find some words HIGHLY offensive and don't want to see them in the titles. I can't help but see them in the titles. I think the title should use the *** and if necessary the word can be spelled out in the post, which I can then avoid. I'm far more okay with the "f-word" than the "n-word" or one that starts with "c."

    But as 5jj rightly points out, this is not the thread for it.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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