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    Hi,

    There is a place in Russia, near St.Petersburg, which is called "Tsarskoe Selo". This town used to be the official residence of Russian emperors for almost 200 years from the mid 1740-s till the Great October Revolution of 1917. The word "Tsarskoe Selo" translates as "the village used as a residence of Russian tsars". I've gor three options. Which one do you think is correct:

    1) Tsars village
    2) Tsar's village
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    Default Re: Tsars village / Tsar's village / Tsars' village

    This probaly isn't what you wanted, but I'd refer to it as Tsarskoe Selo (Village of the tsars).

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    Default Re: Tsars village / Tsar's village / Tsars' village

    I think , Tsar's Village is the correct one.

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    Default Re: Tsars village / Tsar's village / Tsars' village

    Quote Originally Posted by milan2003_07 View Post
    Hi,

    There is a place in Russia, near St.Petersburg, which is called "Tsarskoe Selo". This town used to be the official residence of Russian emperors for almost 200 years from the mid 1740-s till the Great October Revolution of 1917. The word "Tsarskoe Selo" translates as "the village used as a residence of Russian tsars". I've gor three options. Which one do you think is correct:

    1) Tsars village
    2) Tsar's village
    3) Tsars' village

    Thanks
    They are all potentially correct.
    I assume there was only one Tsar at a time, therefore Tsar's is right at any one time.
    Tsars' is of course right too.
    Tsars Village is also correct. Note, if village is part of the name, it's capitalised.

    In any case, names of places don't necessarily have to follow grammatical rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    This probaly isn't what you wanted, but I'd refer to it as Tsarskoe Selo (Village of the tsars).
    I agree that "Village of the tsars" does make sense, but we're speaking about tsars in general and therefore why do we need to use "the"? We aren't specifying particular tsars or a particular period when the place was used as a residence. Thus, maybe "Village of tsars"?

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    Default Re: Tsars village / Tsar's village / Tsars' village

    You're right saying that there was one tsar at a time, but the residence wasn't for one tsar. Each tsar was succeeded by his son or brother and therefore the residence was used by many tsars for almost 200 years. As far as I know when we want to mention something of a particular type we use the plural form like "tsars" in the example above. Apostrophe is needed because we're talking about people. I would say "Tsars' village" for this reason. Does it make sense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    They are all potentially correct.
    I assume there was only one Tsar at a time, therefore Tsar's is right at any one time.
    Tsars' is of course right too.
    Tsars Village is also correct. Note, if village is part of the name, it's capitalised.

    In any case, names of places don't necessarily have to follow grammatical rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milan2003_07 View Post
    You're right saying that there was one tsar at a time, but the residence wasn't for one tsar. Each tsar was succeeded by his son or brother and therefore the residence was used by many tsars for almost 200 years. As far as I know when we want to mention something of a particular type we use the plural form like "tsars" in the example above. Apostrophe is needed because we're talking about people. I would say "Tsars' village" for this reason. Does it make sense?
    The apostrophe has nothing to do with people. Village of the Birds = the Birds' Village.
    As far as multiple tsars go, that's not necessarily determinative either. 10 Downing Street, London is the UK Prime Minister's residence, even if it used by serial Prime Ministers.
    As I said you can make arguments for the correctness of each form. I also prefer Village of the Tsars. (Once again, note that both words are capitalised).

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    Quote Originally Posted by milan2003_07 View Post
    I would say "Tsars' village" for this reason. Does it make sense?
    Raymott has already said it does. He's also said that if it's the name of the village, it's Tsars' Village.

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    Default Re: Tsars village / Tsar's village / Tsars' village

    OK. Thanks a lot. My final question right now: why "Village of the tsars" rather than "Village of tsars"?

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    Default Re: Tsars village / Tsar's village / Tsars' village

    Why indeed? It sounds right to me, but I can't think of a convincing reason. I'll work on it. In the meantime, use "Village of Tsars" if you prefer.

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