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    Hi,

    Could anyone tell me what the underlined part means?

    Thank you very much.

    "As a restaurant manager, hed hired ex-cons, recovering alcoholics and addicts just out of rehab, men and women he knew were illegals with doctored documents for the position of busboys."

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    Default Re: illegals with doctored documents

    People who were in the country illegally with fake papers to show they could work.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Default Re: illegals with doctored documents

    "Illegals" is the shortened form of "illegal entrants" - in the UK this covers people who came into the country illegally without being processed (or with false documents) and also people who came in legally but have stayed longer than they were legally allowed to.

    "To doctor" means to make unauthorised changes to something. "Doctored documents" are documents which were originally genuine but have had changes made to some part of them, either to make them appear to belong to the illegal or to attempt to show that that person is in the country legally. It could be a passport, a visa, an immigration stamp, a work permit, an education certificate etc.

    As Barb said, in your original piece, the restaurant manager hired people who he already knew were in the country illegally and that something had been falsified in their paperwork.

    In the UK, that makes the restaurant manager as culpable as the illegal workers and he would be subject to a large fine and, potentially, imprisonment.
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    Default Re: illegals with doctored documents

    NOT A TEACHER


    Hello, IQU:


    Today in the United States, most people do not refer to "illegal aliens."

    Most people refer to them as undocumented immigrants. (That is, immigrants who do not have the proper documents

    to be here.)

    (P.S. This is not my opinion. I am just reporting a matter of language.)


    HAVE A NICE DAY!

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    Default Re: illegals with doctored documents

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    NOT A TEACHER


    Hello, IQU:


    Today in the United States, most people do not refer to "illegal aliens."

    Most people refer to them as undocumented immigrants. (That is, immigrants who do not have the proper documents

    to be here.)

    (P.S. This is not my opinion. I am just reporting a matter of language.)


    HAVE A NICE DAY!
    With all due respect, Parser, I disagree.

    I think many in the media and the political left would like to believe that common Americans use such obfuscating euphemism. But it's not the case in my experience.

    People who enter/stay in the country against our laws are illegal aliens. People who rob banks are not just making "undocumented withdrawals."
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    Default Re: illegals with doctored documents

    I was in Lewes in the UK a few months ago and needed to use the internet. The only place I could find was a library and they needed ID. The only thing I had on me was my Japanese alien registration card. They accepted it, but were a bit surprised by the terminology.

    Let's keep things on an even keel here- I have been an alien (legal) and seen surprise in someone's face when seeing this. It's a sensitive issue, with legal terms and different viewpoints.

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    Default Re: illegals with doctored documents

    Not all that many years ago the different lanes for arriving passengers at immigration controls in the UK were designated British (and sometimes Commonwealth) and Aliens.

    Over the years and with the advent of the EU and the EEA, the signs have changed and
    most ports split arriving passengers into simply EU/EEA and Non-EU/EEA.

    Illegal aliens gave way to illegal immigrants which has in turn now been rePlaced with illegal entrants. As far as I know, this has only happened because of the specific meaning/connotation of the word "immigrant" whereas "entrant" simply means anyone entering the country.

    Just more evidence of how terminology changes.
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