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    Hi forum!

    What part of a sentence are these two red words:

    It is connected to running. (meaning - it has to do with running)

    I am looking forward to meeting you.

    running = noun?
    meeting = verb, despite the ing?


    Is there a huge difference:

    connected to
    connected with


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    I am not a native speaker, but it is absolutely clear that in your case meeting is a gerund, as it governs a direct object and it has no article.

    Running in your case should in my opinion be used as "running" (quotation marks) , being just an indefinite idea of a grammatical object used like a proper noun. It's merely a name for a certain noun. But it is only an indefinite part of speech in this form.

    Although English style books consider this verb use as a cliche being not recommended, I would turn better to the noun style and re-write it as a whole: It stands in connection to the running. In this form, the word running is a noun with all its functions implied. It may be used in general and/or actual, real sense (materialized) and have the plural formant -s at the end.
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    Default Re: Gerund question

    You have gained your first "like", and in addition the next round is on me because it was my 100th posting.

    But these drinks will be more an indefinite idea, something that is merely meant to be a proper noun and not really recommended by my style book.....

    Cheers!

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    "It stands in connection to the running" is not a natural English sentence.
    It is in relation to running.
    It relates to running.
    It's about running.
    It's connected to running.
    It is regarding running.

    All of these and other are okay.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    "It stands in connection to the running" is not a natural English sentence.
    What would you say if I re-write it as follows:

    It is in connection to the runnings (about a machine's turnings on and off).

    Here, the definite article should indicate that a machine ran in reality; in other words, "running" was real, as opposed to a running, as a single action that can be conceived mentally. Many passages in literature show such differences. They call such instances "Grammar Synomies with the English Articles".

    The forum system will not accept the plural form of "running"!

    I am not a native English speaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cuneiform View Post
    What would you say if I re-write it as follows:

    It is in connection to the runnings (about a machine's turnings on and off).
    I would say that that was not a natural English sentence.

    Here, the definite article should indicate that a machine ran in reality; in other words, "running" was real, as opposed to a running, as a single action that can be conceived mentally.
    I don't think articles alone can make the difference between a real happening and a mental conception.

    Many passages in literature show such differences. Can you give some examples?
    They call such instances "Grammar Synomies with the English Articles".
    Who are 'they'. Can you give some references to "Grammar Synomies with the English Articles"?

    The forum system will not accept the plural form of "running"! I don't understand what you mean by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cuneiform View Post
    The forum system will not accept the plural form of "running"!
    Runnings
    Runnings
    Runnings


    It uses a spellcheck- these are not perfect but they are very good guides for most people. The forum will accept any spelling or form. You could write complete nonsense like skptwollinghxzdst and it would be published, but the spellcheck would simply ask you whether you were sure that was what you wanted to post.

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    Dear "Old Chap", I am migrating here from an English Language website that got commercialized during last years and where all the forums were abolished (!) due to that policy. So, I have to make a new start here. I am very modest, but all my scores for many many years there were lost. That makes me deeply sad.

    My impression is that English is a very indefinite language as compared to those that are known to me. Say, if I had to learn a new foreign language, I would never take an English text book in order to learn that foreign language.

    Thanks for your 'Like!'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cuneiform View Post
    English is a very indefinite language as compared to those that are known to me.
    What do you mean by 'indefinite language'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    What do you mean by 'indefinite language'?
    It has in fact no existentials (notions related to [human] existence); therefore, there are mainly no works on existentialism in this language, and if any available, then they are all translated from other languages. Say, "go" does not imply "how", and you never know, whether "on foot" or "by car" [while studying a foreign language it's very important indeed]; or "being" implies a lot of things without distinguishing between the process of the being and things and beings themselves as if they were the same while most philosophies do claim they are not. So, at the both stages (basic, advanced) one is never certain about a lot of things in question.

    This gives a reason for the assignable indeterminacy of translation problem, (further on you are following the text of wiki) a thesis propounded by 20th century American analytic philosopher W. V. Quine. The classic statement of this thesis can be found in his 1960 book Word and Object, which gathered together and refined much of Quine's previous work on subjects other than formal logic and set theory. The indeterminacy of translation is also discussed at length in his Ontological Relativity (1968). In these books, Quine considers the methods available to a field linguist attempting to translate a hitherto unknown language. He notes that there are always different ways one might break a sentence into words, and different ways to distribute functions among words. Any hypothesis of translation could be defended only by appeal to context, by determining what other sentences a native would utter. But the same indeterminacy will appear there: any hypothesis can be defended if one adopts enough compensatory hypotheses about other parts of the language.

    You can download a scientific article treating this problem here:
    http://digital.csic.es/bitstream/102...1/indeterm.pdf

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