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    Default need some help with understanding "undefended damage"

    Hello,

    I have a creature that have a health and defense attributes. When creature receive any damage it's reduced by defense before will be subtracting to health. Also some attacks may ignores creature defense attribute.

    Is't ok to say :

    "Creature deals undefended damage to enemy."

    Should it will be best to say this instead :

    "Creature deals damage ignores defense to enemy."

    I think undefended damage does mean more damage that will be not blocked by some defender.
    Or it's ok to use too for damage that will be applied to health directly without defense modification?

    Thanks for any help.
    Last edited by hex79; 30-Aug-2012 at 14:14.

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    Default Re: need some help with understanding "undefended damage"

    Quote Originally Posted by hex79 View Post
    Hello,

    I have a creature that have a health and defense attributes. When creature receive any damage it's reduced by defense before will be subtracting to health. Also some attacks may ignores creature defense attribute.

    Is't ok to say :

    "Creature deals undefended damage to enemy."

    Should it will be best to say this instead :

    "Creature deals damage ignores defense to enemy."

    I think undefended damage does mean more damage that will be not blocked by some defender.
    Or it's ok to use too for damage that will be applied to health directly without defense modification?

    Thanks for any help.
    None of this makes any sense to me.

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    Default Re: need some help with understanding "undefended damage"

    Hello bhaisahab,

    Please excuse me for my post. I love English but unfortunately I don't have more practice...
    Could You please tell me what You understand from my post?
    Thanks.

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    Default Re: need some help with understanding "undefended damage"

    Quote Originally Posted by hex79 View Post
    Hello bhaisahab,

    Please excuse me for my post. I love English but unfortunately I don't have more practice...
    Could You please tell me what You understand from my post?
    Thanks.

    NOT A TEACHER


    I can't make heads or tails of it either.

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    Default Re: need some help with understanding "undefended damage"

    Hi,

    My guess is that it is related to role-play or some such card-games (like Pokémon). It probably means that the creature in question attacks (after rolling dice or whatever) and its characteristics impoly that the opposing creature will be unable to defent itself from the attack.

    That said, I'm still thinking of a proper way to express what the OP wnats to state. None of the options sound well to me.
    Please be aware that I'm neither a native English speaker nor a teacher.

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    Default Re: need some help with understanding "undefended damage"

    This sounds pretty likely to me. At least it makes sense of a post that starts 'I have a creature...' and goes on to talk about 'attributes' in a way that suggests exposure to a non-native-speaking-software-engineer-written help file for a role-playing game written in Java (the OO programming language, not the place). Aha ! Perhaps not so much 'exposure to' such a help file as 'trying to write'...

    In that case, for "Creature deals undefended damage to enemy." I'd say something like 'Attacks by this character override any defensive weapons deployed'.

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    Default Re: need some help with understanding "undefended damage"

    Ok let me show it on "role-play or some such card-games" example :

    Creature
    -----------
    Health : 5
    Defense : 1

    Creature A attacks Creature B and deals 2 damage :
    Creature B
    -----------
    Health : 4 ( 5 health + 1 defense - 2 damage = 4 health)
    Defense : 1

    And for undefended damage :

    Creature A attacks Creature B and deals undefended 2 damage :
    Creature B
    -----------
    Health : 3 ( 5 health - 2 damage = 3 health)
    Defense : 1

    So can we say : "Creature A deals undefended damage to enemy."?

    Or Also : "Creature A deals damage ignoring defense to enemy."?
    Last edited by hex79; 30-Aug-2012 at 16:03.

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    Default Re: need some help with understanding "undefended damage"

    Quote Originally Posted by hex79 View Post
    Ok let me show it on "role-play or some such card-games" example :

    Creature
    -----------
    Health : 5
    Defense : 1

    Creature A attacks Creature B and deals 2 damage :
    Creature B
    -----------
    Health : 4 ( 5 health + 1 defense - 2 damage = 4 health)
    Defense : 1

    And for undefended damage :

    Creature A attacks Creature B and deals undefended 2 damage :
    Creature B
    -----------
    Health : 3 ( 5 health - 2 damage = 3 health)
    Defense : 1

    So can we say : "Creature A deals undefended damage to enemy."?

    Or Also : "Creature A deals damage ignoring defense to enemy."?
    I don't follow the arithmetic of the first case. Why doesn't Defense get reduced to 0? It's been used in the previous line.

    The expression 'undefended damage' does not work. In this context, perhaps it would make sense if you said 'undefendable harm' - in this case only; it is a most unusual collocation.

    I used 'harm' not 'damage'. Physical 'damage' done to a person or creature is usually called 'harm'. (There is an exception for mental damage: a 'damaged person' has a mental problem, not a sore thumb!)

    In any case, you can't deal damage. You can deal a 'blow' (causing harm), but the collocation 'deal damage' doesn't work.

    But the peculiar lingo of role-playing games is a closed book to me (if you'll pardon the reference to an obsolete data-storage system ).

    b

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