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    Re: Uncountable nouns

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    I can't believe you're saying this after all the examples.
    Don't you, yourself, get mad when someone tells you that you MAY put an "a" in front of "weather" or "furniture"? Where is the truth? I just gave you a link. You haven't succeeded in disproving that a noun like "passenger" can only be countable, have you? How many results with "too much dinosaur" or "too much schoolboy" did you get? Millions? Half a page.

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    Re: Uncountable nouns

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    Don't you, yourself, get mad when someone tells you that you MAY put an "a" in front of "weather" or "furniture"?
    No.

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    Re: Uncountable nouns

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    Don't you, yourself, get mad when someone tells you that you MAY put an "a" in front of "weather" or "furniture"?
    Honestly, no. The only person who sounds like they're getting mad in this thread is you.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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    Re: Uncountable nouns

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    Honestly, no. The only person who sounds like they're getting mad in this thread is you.
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    No.
    Because all along they've been telling you one thing and all of a sudden you catch them doing the opposite. In general, proper English is not spoken in many parts of England. There is this website where all those dialects can be heard. There is no way you can call that language acceptable.

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    Re: Uncountable nouns

    I've got to go to work now. Instead of looking for nouns that can be both c. and unc., I expect you to find a bunch of nouns that are strictly c. (or vice versa). Let's do this for the sake of Truth.

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    Re: Uncountable nouns

    Quote Originally Posted by Bennevis View Post
    Because all along they've been telling you one thing and all of a sudden you catch them doing the opposite. In general, proper English is not spoken in many parts of England. There is this website where all those dialects can be heard. There is no way you can call that language acceptable.
    Hi,

    From what I've read so long in this thread, I would say one thing has been proved: given the right context, you can find combinations like "a furniture" or "a music".

    Then, there's the correctness issue. IMO, teaching English (or any other language, for that matter) implies showing your students the "correct" way to say things. But one must be aware that what is taught and what students will find in the real world/everyday life might differ. And I, for one, have commonly told my advanced students that they might hear "incorrect" but "accepted" versions of what I had just told them.

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    Re: Uncountable nouns

    Quote Originally Posted by Bennevis View Post
    Because all along they've been telling you one thing and all of a sudden you catch them doing the opposite. In general, proper English is not spoken in many parts of England. There is this website where all those dialects can be heard. There is no way you can call that language acceptable.
    So? I have heard educated native speakers say something like, "amount of + countable noun". In fact, I was watching Woody Allen: A Documentary the other day and in it, he said, 'The amount of movies that I saw right here, I mean, it was just astonishing.'

    Bottom line: in informal conversations, native speakers do not always follow prescriptive grammar.

    Does it bother me? No. It's completely beyond me why you would get mad over this. "Proper English" is an ideal that doesn't exist, or is at the very least very rare. I think that someone said this in this forum some time ago.

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    Re: Uncountable nouns

    Quote Originally Posted by Bennevis View Post
    Don't you, yourself, get mad when someone tells you that you MAY put an "a" in front of "weather" or "furniture"? Where is the truth? I just gave you a link. You haven't succeeded in disproving that a noun like "passenger" can only be countable, have you? How many results with "too much dinosaur" or "too much schoolboy" did you get? Millions? Half a page.
    I think I did succeed. The number of pages is not relevant. It's not difficult to produce a correct English sentence without any Google results. The pattern exists in the English language. If the results do not convince you, and why should they if you haven't noticed that some of them are from very well written texts, then the opinion of the native speakers here should. The existence of the pattern can also be convincingly explained. There is the underlying concept of dinosaur, schoolboy or passenger "substance" or "essence" in it. That is what justifies the uncountable usage.

    And I definitely don't get mad because of this. It does happen to me that it's difficult for me to accept some usages, and I do refrain from using certain widely accepted constructions just because I don't like or don't understand them. But I find it hard to understand why anyone would get mad at language. Even though I know there are people who do.
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    Re: Uncountable nouns

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    I've got to go to work now. Instead of looking for nouns that can be both c. and unc., I expect you to find a bunch of nouns that are strictly c. (or vice versa). Let's do this for the sake of Truth.
    This is just arrogant. You expect us to find examples? Why don't you find them? I would like to see how you prove that a noun is strictly countable or strictly uncountable.

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    Re: Uncountable nouns

    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    I think I did succeed. The number of pages is not relevant.
    I agree. You have done an excellent job and I have learnt a thing or two from your examples . Asking for more examples is unfair. Logicians call this "moving the goalposts". Bennevis, you asked for an example of "passenger" used as an uncountable noun, BC has given you one.

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