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    Default Re: the relative pronoun "whose"?

    EX: It was John who went.
    => "who" refers to John. "John" is the grammatical subject; "It", the structural subject. With expletive-It constructs, the subject (i.e., John) is delayed.

    EX: It is John and Mary who are going.
    => "are" agrees in number with "who", which gets its number from its referent "John and Mary".

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    Default Re: the relative pronoun "whose"?

    Are resumptive adverbs also ungrammatical, like in this? :
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    "I'm going to the Netherlands, where I'll stay there for a week."

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    Default Re: the relative pronoun "whose"?

    Quote Originally Posted by dihen
    Really? You really never ever have heard these ones?:
    "the child that his mother is a teacher"
    "the book that some of its pages are missing"
    "the boy that I visited her sister"

    I've heard sentences like these ones from students whose mother tongue is Greek. This is because a sentence like "the child that his mother is a teacher..." if translated word for word in Greek, is grammatically correct and widely used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dihen
    Are resumptive adverbs also ungrammatical, like in this? :
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    "I'm going to the Netherlands, where I'll stay there for a week."
    Hello Dihen

    I would think of them as "unidiomatic in standard English".

    If you were a copy-editor on a magazine, for instance, you would edit them out. (Unless they appeared in direct speech, and you wanted to retain them for the sake of "local colour".)

    All the best,
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    Default Re: the relative pronoun "whose"?

    Are these also incorrect?
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    "people that I expect them to be there"
    "people that you think that they never fail"
    Last edited by dihen; 01-Aug-2006 at 16:03.

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    Default Re: the relative pronoun "whose"?

    Hello Dihen

    It's possible that in some dialects of English, those constructions would be used; but they would both be "incorrect" in standard English, unfortunately!

    Instead, you would say:

    1. "...people that I expect to be there..."
    2. "...people that you think never fail"

    All the best,

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    Default Re: the relative pronoun "whose"?

    Are these acceptable?
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    "the child that the mother is a teacher of"
    "the book that some pages are missing of"
    "the boy that I visited the sister of"

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    Default Re: the relative pronoun "whose"?

    'Whose' would be the natural choice in all of those for me.

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    Default Re: the relative pronoun "whose"?

    Quote Originally Posted by dihen View Post
    Are these acceptable?
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    "the child that the mother is a teacher of"
    "the book that some pages are missing of"
    "the boy that I visited the sister of"

    As a native speaker of British English I'd accept the first and third in speech (perhaps because the possessor is a person), and for the second I'd say "The book that has some pages missing" (or "...some missing pages").

    b

    ps 'whose' would also be fine in all three - it would just sound to me a bit too correct!
    Last edited by BobK; 18-Sep-2006 at 12:28. Reason: Afterthought

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