Indirect questions: Do you know vs. Do you think ?

[skelerobo]

I have sets of two questions here, both seemingly indirect.

1. Do you know where the butter is?

2. Where do you think the butter is?
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3. Do you know why he did that?

4. Why do you think he did that?
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5. Do you know when the train arrives?

6. When do you think the train arrives?
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For these sets of questions I'm wondering why the question word comes after 'know' but before 'think'.

Thank you for any help

 

[Rover_KE]

I have numbered the questions for convenience.

2, 4 and 6 are direct questions, so the verb comes after the question word.

Rover

 

[skelerobo]

I have numbered the questions for convenience.

2, 4 and 6 are direct questions, so the verb comes after the question word.

Rover

Thank you, I understand your explanation, but to make sure I must ask,

Isn't (for example) the direct question for examples 5 and 6 "When does the train arrive?" The reason why I'm pushing this is I've found these sort of questions listed in my text book (New Inside Out) listed distinctly as "Indirect questions" So I need to be sure.

 

[crazYgeeK]

I have numbered the questions for convenience.



2, 4 and 6 are direct questions, so the verb comes after the question word.

Rover

I'm just a student!
As I understand, the thing determining the order between verb and question word is the question type (direct or indirect), right?
But I think in the asker's case, it also involves the meanings and usages of know and think. I think 'know' is a transitive verb, so we have some structure like 'know something/someone' and 'know where/why'... But it's not the case with 'think'. That's just my idea.
If possible, could you please tell me if these are OK:
1. Do you think where the butter is?
2. Can you think where the butter is?
I think the #1 sounds unnatural but the #2 sounds OK to me.
Thank you very much!

 

[skelerobo]

Sorry but I need an answer to this question.

 

[charliedeut]

Sorry but I need an answer to this question.

I believe it has already been answered:

2, 4 and 6 are direct questions, so the verb comes after the question word.
Rover

charliedeut

 

[skelerobo]

I believe it has already been answered:



charliedeut

Sorry, let me rephrase, I need a confirmation for the answer to this question.

Thank you.

 

[bhaisahab]

Sorry, let me rephrase, I need a confirmation for the answer to this question.

Thank you.

Confirmation from whom? Rover_KE is a respected English teacher of many years standing.

 

[skelerobo]

Confirmation from whom? Rover_KE is a respected English teacher of many years standing.

Well, from him or anyone else. The reason why is that his answer contradicts the information I have in my text book and If at all possible, I need to see some concurrance (or confirmation) of opinion in order to know for sure.

 

[bhaisahab]

Which "New Inside Out" is it?

 

[skelerobo]

Which "New Inside Out" is it?

Upper Intermediate. There is an example in the exam similar to "Who do you think is the best person to ask about ice cream?". That example is an answer listed under the section "Rewrite the questions as indirect questions". Another way to write it would be "Do you know who is the best person to ask about ice cream?"

Another example in the student's text book lists as an indirect question "Where do you think the best place to buy jeans is?" compare it to, "Do you know where the best place to buy jeans is?"

Another example in the work book text answers, "Do you think that you made a good impression on him?" This question uses "that" instead of a question word, but it could easily be rendered,

"Why do you think you made a good impression on him? vs. Do you know why you made a good impression on him?

From the direct question Why did you make a good impression on him?

So I'd like to know if they really are indirect questions or not. Thanks again.