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    Default What part of speech is the word same?

    Please, Can you explain me what part of speech the word "same" is? I've heard it is an adjective. But if it is an adjective then why is article "the" able to stand before it?
    For example - "I would do the same" or "He looks the same as you"
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    Default Re: What part of speech is the word same?

    I don't see the problem... 'The' is a determiner. Adjectives can be preceded by determiners.

    "I would do the same [thing]" - adjective

    "I would act the same way as you - adverb phrase [in which 'same' is still an adjective]

    They both have much the same meaning.

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    Default Re: What part of speech is the word same?

    Thanks a lot.
    I meant to imply words "way" and "thing" are usually omitted and is it correct to leave determiner when the noun to which it refers is omitted? Maybe this question seems strange to you, but I'd really like to understand it. So is it possible to say "I would do same" instead of "I would do the same"? By the way, is there any difference between "He looks the same as you" and "He looks similarly as you"?

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    Default Re: What part of speech is the word same?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Lucky_One View Post
    Thanks a lot.
    I meant to imply words "way" and "thing" are usually omitted and is it correct to leave determiner when the noun to which it refers is omitted? Maybe this question seems strange to you, but I'd really like to understand it. So is it possible to say "I would do same" instead of "I would do the same"? No, it is not.By the way, is there any difference between "He looks the same as you" and "He looks similarly as you"?
    "He looks similarly as you" is incorrect. You could say "He looks similar to you".

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    Default Re: What part of speech is the word same?

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    Hello,



    1. I was wondering whether it would be helpful to remind you that in English you can often change an adjective into a noun

    by simply adding the word "the."

    a. I have found that the rich are more courteous to me than are the poor.

    2. I am going to study hard, and I want you to do the same.

    a. My dictionary classifies it as a "pronoun."

    *****

    3. "He looks the same as you."

    a. Here is a somewhat similar sentence from a grammar book.*

    i." Your schedule is not the same as mine."

    (a) "same" is a noun. (Don't worry: some books call it a pronoun; others call it a noun.) "The same" is a subjective complement. That is, it refers to "Your schedule." The whole sentence is "Your schedule is not the same as mine [is]." It is not necessary to say "is."

    (b) Based on that example, I believe that we can analyze your sentence this way:

    (i) He = subject.
    looks = linking verb. This is NOT an action verb in your sentence.
    the same = the subjunctive complement.
    as = conjunction.
    you = subject.
    look. = verb that is usually not expressed.

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    4. In my opinion, "He looks similarly as you" is definitely NOT the same as "He looks the same as you."

    a. "similarly" is an adverb. = [do something] in a similar manner.
    b. "looks" in your sentence is an ACTION verb. [For example, "He looks at the beautiful girls."]
    c. I do not think that sentence is well-formed. That is, it is very difficult to explain its meaning. I think that it seems to say something like:

    You look at the beautiful girls in a certain way, and he looks at them in the same way as you [look at the ....].

    As you can see, that is definitely NOT the same as "He looks the same as you."



    James

    * R.W. Pence and D.W. Emery wrote A Grammar of Present-Day English (1963), page 226.
    Last edited by TheParser; 31-Oct-2012 at 21:08. Reason: Forgot to credit two scholars!!!

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    Default Re: What part of speech is the word same?

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    Based

    James
    Thank you, James. Will you tell me how do we pronounce the sound s when the verb base is in the past form (when we add d), please? I do hear some people pronounce it as z sound. Making sure that they are non-native English speaker.

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    Hello,



    I have good news and bad news.

    The bad news: I know nothing about pronunciation. And I truly mean no thing.

    The good news: Post your question in the "Pronunciation" forum and your question will be answered

    by experts.


    James

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    Default Re: What part of speech is the word same?

    'Based' has the s sound, unlike 'braised', which has the z sound.

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    Default Re: What part of speech is the word same?

    James, Thank you so much!. You really helped me realize all these things about "the same".
    And here is the last question about this word. Is it correct to use "like" instead of "as"?
    I definitely heard they said "...the same like..." in some American movies.

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    Default Re: What part of speech is the word same?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Lucky_One View Post
    James, Thank you so much!. You really helped me realize all these things about "the same".
    And here is the last question about this word. Is it correct to use "like" instead of "as"?
    I definitely heard they said "...the same like..." in some American movies.
    "The same like..." is non standard English. I wouldn't recommend that you use it.

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