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    Default "...way back home" diagram

    "The dog found its way back home."


    Would you kindly Reed-Kellogg?


    Thank you very much.


    James

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    Default Re: "...way back home" diagram

    I MUST get this computer set up to diagram.

    Parser, you come up with such interesting examples!

    Frank

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    Default Re: "...way back home" diagram

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Antonson View Post
    I MUST get this computer set up to diagram.

    Parser, you come up with such interesting examples!

    Frank

    Mr. Antonson,


    (1) After checking Professor Quirk and "Professor Google," I have

    decided to parse/diagram that sentence thusly:

    The dog = subject.

    found = verb.

    its way = object.

    back = being used as an adjective to modify "way."

    home = being used as an adjective to modify "way."

    (Either "back" or "home" could be deleted without injury to the

    grammar of the sentence.)

    ***

    If I understand Professor Quirk, "way back" = "way which leads back";

    "way home" = "way toward home."

    ***

    I also found three Google book sources (two of whom were not native-

    speaking scholars) who discussed "adjectival attributes expressed by

    an adverb."

    Oh, Mr. Antonson, if learners realized how helpful Reed-Kellogg is,

    they would be flooding this forum with requests for diagrams!!!


    James
    Last edited by TheParser; 29-Jun-2011 at 13:18.

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    Default Re: "...way back home" diagram

    James,

    I know what you mean about Reed-Kellogg diagrams.

    I am working on getting back at that on the computer. I miss it.

    Frank

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    Default Re: "...way back home" diagram

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post

    back = being used as an adjective to modify "way."
    I must take issue with this part of your analysis: to my mind, the structure is [the way [back home]], i.e. with 'back' as a modifying adjunct to 'home', making it an adverb rather than an adjective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philo2009 View Post
    I must take issue with this part of your analysis: to my mind, the structure is [the way [back home]], i.e. with 'back' as a modifying adjunct to 'home', making it an adverb rather than an adjective.

    Most interesting!!!

    But what about: Mona found her way back. Would "back" then

    modify "way"?

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    Default Re: "...way back home" diagram

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    "The dog found its way back home."
    My tentative attempt at analysis:

    The dog found its way back home. Which way did it find? The dog found that way. Its way back home. The underlined words around "way" identify "way" (i.e. determine its identity) in a similar way that determiners, e.g. "that", do.

    Look at this:

    The dog found its way back.
    The dog found its way home.
    The dog found its way back home.

    The question arises in me: Can I - or should I - draw any conclusions vis-a-vis the grammatical relationship between "back" and "home", based on my evaluation on the above sentences' grammatical acceptability?
    They seem to be on a par; they are equal in syntactic standing. "(To) Home" probably further explains "back". When it comes to further explaining something, apposition comes to mind. "back" means home, and vice versa.

    Hence my diagram:


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    Default Re: "...way back home" diagram

    way (which is) back (to) home

    Reduced relative? How about this?



    I put the apposed prepositional phrase in adverbial (adjunct) function on a pedestal and in round brackets.

    back (to) home = predicate adverb

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    Most interesting!!!

    But what about: Mona found her way back. Would "back" then

    modify "way"?
    Yes, it would. However, the issue for me here is that, in terms of sense, rather than two pieces of unrelated information pertaining to 'way':

    (a) its way back (to somewhere or other)

    and (incidentally!)

    (b) its way (to) home

    , we have actually one major item

    (I) its way home

    in relation to the modifier of which the minor additional detail is provided that it was

    (Ia) (to) home for at least the second time

    , in fairly clear contrast to e.g. a big, black dog, wherein the two adjectives are genuinely coordinate equals, each relating quite independently to the head noun, specifying

    (a) a dog that is big

    and

    (b) a dog that is (also) black.
    Last edited by philo2009; 01-Jul-2011 at 07:42.

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